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Traité Menachot

108a

Étude de Menachot 108a

Étude de la Mishna & Guémara 108a

Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : And one was for the value of the lambs brought as a nazirite’s or a leper’s guilt offering. And one was for the value of the goats brought as communal sin offerings on Festivals. And one was for the surplus coins of one who designated money to purchase one of those offerings and had money left over after purchasing the animal. And one was for the additional silver ma’a paid as a premium in a case when two people brought their half-shekel jointly as one shekel.
וְהַכְּבָשִׂים, וְהַשְּׂעִירִים, וְהַמּוֹתָרוֹת, וְהַמָּעָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : After citing these four opinions, the Gemara explains: All of the other Sages do not say in accordance with the explanation of Ḥizkiyya that the six collection horns are to prevent quarrels between the families of priests, as they hold that we are not concerned about quarreling between the priests. There is no reason for them to fight, as each and every family serves on its own day and receives the hides of the animals sacrificed on that day.
כּוּלְּהוּ כְּחִזְקִיָּה לָא אָמְרִי, לְאִנְּצוֹיֵי לָא חָיְישִׁינַן, דְּכֹל חַד וְחַד יוֹמֵיהּ קָא עָבֵיד.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The other Sages do not say in accordance with the explanation of Rabbi Yoḥanan that the six horns are to prevent the coins from decaying, as we are not concerned that the coins will decay.
כְּרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן לָא אָמְרִי, לְאִיעַפּוֹשֵׁי לָא חָיְישִׁינַן.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The other Sages do not say in accordance with the explanation of Ze’eiri that the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, because we do not interpret a mishna in accordance with an individual opinion against the majority opinion.
כִּזְעֵירִי לָא אָמְרִי, כִּיחִידָאָה לָא מוֹקְמִי.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The other Sages also do not say in accordance with the explanation of bar Padda that the six collection horns were for the value of bulls, rams, lambs, and goats that had been lost, for the surplus coins left over after purchasing an offering, and for the ma’a paid as a premium in addition to the half-shekel of two people. This is because they hold that there is no reason to differentiate between the surplus and the value of specific animals, as all of the animals that were lost and another offered in their place are also surplus, and their value is surplus after the replacement offering was purchased.
כְּבָר פְּדָא נָמֵי לָא אָמְרִי. מוֹתָרוֹת – כּוּלְּהוּ נָמֵי מוֹתָרוֹת.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The other Sages also do not agree with bar Padda’s explanation that the sixth collection horn was for the ma’a, because they hold that the ma’a goes toward the same purpose as the regular shekels, as it is taught in a baraita with regard to the ma’a: Where would this premium [kalbon] go, i.e., what was done with it? It would be added to the shekels themselves, which would be used to buy the daily and additional offerings; this is the statement of Rabbi Meir. Rabbi Eliezer says: It would be used for communal gift offerings.
מָעָה נָמֵי לִשְׁקָלִים אָזְלָא, דְּתַנְיָא: לְהֵיכָן קָלְבּוֹן זֶה הוֹלֵךְ? לִשְׁקָלִים, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי מֵאִיר. רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר אוֹמֵר: לִנְדָבָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara cites two additional explanations for the purpose of the six collection horns. And Shmuel says: These six horns correspond to the surplus coins left over after purchasing six offerings, namely: The surplus coins left over after purchasing a sin offering; and the surplus coins left over after purchasing a guilt offering; and the surplus coins left over after purchasing a nazirite’s guilt offering, brought if he comes into contact with a corpse during his term of naziriteship; and the surplus coins left over after purchasing a leper’s guilt offering, brought as part of his purification process; and the surplus coins left over after purchasing a meal offering of a sinner; and the surplus coins left over after purchasing the tenth of an ephah griddle-cake meal offering sacrificed by the High Priest each day, half in the morning and half in the evening.
וּשְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר: כְּנֶגֶד מוֹתַר חַטָּאת, וּמוֹתַר אָשָׁם, וּמוֹתַר אֲשַׁם נָזִיר, וּמוֹתַר אֲשַׁם מְצוֹרָע, וּמוֹתַר מִנְחַת חוֹטֵא, וּמוֹתַר עֲשִׂירִית הָאֵיפָה שֶׁל כֹּהֵן גָּדוֹל.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : And Rabbi Oshaya says that there is a different explanation for the six collection horns: They correspond to the surplus coins left over after purchasing a sin offering; and the surplus coins left over after purchasing a guilt offering; and the surplus coins left over after purchasing a nazirite’s guilt offering; and the surplus coins left over after purchasing a leper’s guilt offering; and the surplus coins left over after the purchase of pairs of doves or pigeons by women after childbirth, by zavim as part of their purification process, and others; and the surplus coins left over after purchasing a meal offering of a sinner.
וְרַבִּי אוֹשַׁעְיָא אָמַר: כְּנֶגֶד מוֹתַר חַטָּאת, וּמוֹתַר אָשָׁם, וּמוֹתַר אֲשַׁם נָזִיר, וּמוֹתַר אֲשַׁם מְצוֹרָע, וּמוֹתַר קִינִּין, וּמוֹתַר מִנְחַת חוֹטֵא.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And what is the reason that Shmuel does not say in accordance with the explanation of Rabbi Oshaya that one of the collection horns was for the surplus coins left over after purchasing pairs of birds? The Gemara answers: A collection horn for coins for pairs of birds is already taught in the first clause of the mishna in tractate Shekalim (18a), among the list of seven collection horns that served purposes other than the communal gift offerings.
וּשְׁמוּאֵל מַאי טַעְמָא לָא אָמַר כְּרַבִּי אוֹשַׁעְיָא? קִינִּין תְּנָא לֵיהּ רֵישָׁא.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And does Rabbi Oshaya teach the mishna without teaching that one of the collection horns was for pairs of birds? Does he have a different version of the mishna? But doesn’t Rabbi Oshaya teach the mishna explicitly, teaching in his version of the mishna that there was a collection horn for pairs of birds? The Gemara answers that one of the collection horns was for coins designated for purchasing pairs of birds, and one collection horn was for the surplus coins remaining after purchasing pairs of birds.
וְרַבִּי אוֹשַׁעְיָא תָּנֵי, וְלָא תָּנֵי קִינִּין? וְהָתָנֵי רַבִּי אוֹשַׁעְיָא וְתָנֵי קִינִּין! חַד לְקִינִּין, וְחַד לְמוֹתַר קִינִּין.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And what is the reason that Rabbi Oshaya does not say in accordance with the opinion of Shmuel? The Gemara answers that he holds like the one who says that the surplus coins left over after purchasing the tenth of an ephah griddle-cake meal offering of the High Priest are not used to purchase other offerings but are left to rot; as it is taught in a baraita: The surplus coins left over after purchasing the meal offering of are used for the purchase of a communal gift offering. The surplus coins left over after purchasing a meal offering are left to rot.
וְרַבִּי אוֹשַׁעְיָא מַאי טַעְמָא לָא אָמַר כִּשְׁמוּאֵל? סָבַר לַהּ כְּמַאן דְּאָמַר: מוֹתָר שֶׁל עֲשִׂירִית הָאֵיפָה שֶׁל כֹּהֵן גָּדוֹל יִרְקַב, דְּתַנְיָא: מוֹתַר מִנְחַת – נְדָבָה, מוֹתַר מִנְחָה – יִרְקַב.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara clarifies the opaque wording: What is the baraita saying? Rav Ḥisda said that this is what the baraita is saying: The surplus coins left over from the purchase of a meal offering of a sinner are used for the purchase of a communal gift offering. The surplus coins left over from purchasing the tenth of an ephah griddle-cake meal offering of the High Priest are left to rot.
מַאי קָאָמַר? אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: הָכִי קָאָמַר – מוֹתַר מִנְחַת חוֹטֵא נְדָבָה, מוֹתַר עֲשִׂירִית הָאֵיפָה שֶׁל כֹּהֵן גָּדוֹל – יִרְקַב.
Menachot 108a
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