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Traité Bava Metzia

12a

Étude de Bava Metzia 12a

Étude de la Mishna & Guémara 12a

Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : One’s courtyard is included as a valid means of acquisition due to the fact that it acts as his hand; but it is no less effective than agency. Therefore, with regard to a bill of divorce, which is considered detrimental to the wife, one cannot transfer it to her by placing it in her courtyard in her absence, as one cannot act against the interests of a person unless it is in his presence. By contrast, with regard to a gift, which is beneficial for the recipient, one can give it to him by placing it in his courtyard in the recipient’s absence, as one can act in a person’s interest in his absence.
חָצֵר אִיתְרַבַּאי מִשּׁוּם יָד וְלָא גָּרְעָה מִשְּׁלִיחוּת. גַּבֵּי גֵּט דְּחוֹב הוּא לָהּ: אֵין חָבִין לְאָדָם אֶלָּא בְּפָנָיו. גַּבֵּי מַתָּנָה דִּזְכוּת הוּא לוֹ: זָכִין לְאָדָם שֶׁלֹּא בְּפָנָיו.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : § The Gemara returns to discuss the matter itself. The mishna teaches: If one saw people running after a found ownerless animal, and said: My field has effected acquisition of this animal for me, it has effected acquisition of it for him. Rabbi Yirmeya says that Rabbi Yoḥanan says: And this halakha is true only in a case where he would be able to run after them and catch them. Rabbi Yirmeya raises a dilemma: Does one acquire animals that are given to him as a gift in such a scenario? Rabbi Abba bar Kahana accepted the premise of the dilemma of Rabbi Yirmeya, and ruled that in the case of a gift one acquires the animals even if he would not be able to run after them and catch them.
גּוּפָא. רָאָה אוֹתָן רָצִין אַחַר הַמְּצִיאָה וְכוּ׳. אָמַר רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: וְהוּא שֶׁרָץ אַחֲרֵיהֶן וּמַגִּיעָן. בָּעֵי רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה: בְּמַתָּנָה הֵיאַךְ? קַבְּלַהּ מִינֵּיהּ רַבִּי אַבָּא בַּר כָּהֲנָא: אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁרָץ אַחֲרֵיהֶן וְאֵין מַגִּיעָן.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rava raises a dilemma: If one threw a purse through this entrance of a house and it went through the house and exited through another entrance, what is the halakha? Does the owner of the house acquire the purse during the course of its flight? The dilemma is: Is an item in the airspace [avir] of a courtyard that will not eventually come to rest in the courtyard itself regarded as though it has come to rest, or is it not regarded as though it has come to rest?
בָּעֵי רָבָא: זָרַק אַרְנָקִי בְּפֶתַח זֶה וְיָצָא בְּפֶתַח אַחֵר, מַהוּ? אֲוִיר שֶׁאֵין סוֹפוֹ לָנוּחַ כְּמוּנָּח דָּמֵי, אוֹ לָא?
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rav Pappa said to Rava, and some say that it was Rav Adda bar Mattana who said this to Rava, and some say that it was Ravina who said this to Rava: Isn’t this the same as the halakha in the mishna? As it is stated: If one saw people running after a found ownerless animal, and said: My field has effected acquisition of this animal for me, it has effected acquisition of it for him. And Rabbi Yirmeya says that Rabbi Yoḥanan says: And this halakha is true only in a case where he would be able to run after them and catch them. Rabbi Yirmeya raises a dilemma: Does one acquire animals that are given to him as a gift in such a scenario? Rabbi Abba bar Kahana accepted the premise of the dilemma of Rabbi Yirmeya, and ruled that in the case of a gift one acquires the animals even if he would not be able to run after them and catch them.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב פָּפָּא לְרָבָא, וְאָמְרִי לַהּ רַב אַדָּא בַּר מַתְנָה לְרָבָא, וְאָמְרִי לַהּ רָבִינָא לְרָבָא: לָאו הַיְינוּ מַתְנִיתִין. רָאָה אוֹתָן רָצִין אַחַר הַמְּצִיאָה, וְאָמַר רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: וְהוּא שֶׁרָץ אַחֲרֵיהֶן וּמַגִּיעָן, וּבָעֵי רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה: בְּמַתָּנָה הֵיאַךְ? וְקַבְּלַהּ מִינֵּיהּ רַבִּי אַבָּא בַּר כָּהֲנָא: בְּמַתָּנָה אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁרָץ אַחֲרֵיהֶן וְאֵין מַגִּיעָן.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rava said to him: Are you saying that a purse flying through the air is comparable to an item that is rolling, i.e., moving on the ground? A rolling item is different, as it is regarded as though it has come to rest. At any given instant throughout its movement, the item rests on the ground. Therefore, the dilemma cannot be resolved from the mishna.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ, מִתְגַּלְגֵּל קָאָמְרַתְּ? שָׁאנֵי מִתְגַּלְגֵּל דִּכְמוּנָּח דָּמֵי.
Mishna 1
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : MISHNA: With regard to the found item of one’s minor son or daughter, i.e., an ownerless item that they found; the found item of his Canaanite slave or maidservant; and the found item of his wife, they are his. By contrast, with regard to the found item of one’s adult son or daughter; the found item of his Hebrew slave or maidservant; and the found item of his ex-wife, whom he divorced, even if he has not yet given her payment of the marriage contract that he owes her, they are theirs.
מַתְנִי׳ מְצִיאַת בְּנוֹ וּבִתּוֹ הַקְּטַנִּים, מְצִיאַת עַבְדּוֹ וְשִׁפְחָתוֹ הַכְּנַעֲנִים, מְצִיאַת אִשְׁתּוֹ – הֲרֵי אֵלּוּ שֶׁלּוֹ. מְצִיאַת בְּנוֹ וּבִתּוֹ הַגְּדוֹלִים, מְצִיאַת עַבְדּוֹ וְשִׁפְחָתוֹ הָעִבְרִים, מְצִיאַת אִשְׁתּוֹ שֶׁגֵּירְשָׁהּ, אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁלֹּא נָתַן כְּתוּבָּה – הֲרֵי אֵלּוּ שֶׁלָּהֶן.(משנה)
Guémara
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : GEMARA: Shmuel says: For what reason did the Sages say that the found item of one’s minor son or daughter belongs to his father? It is because the minor does not intend to acquire it for himself, as when he finds it, he runs with it to his father and does not retain it in his possession.
גְּמָ׳ אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: מִפְּנֵי מָה אָמְרוּ מְצִיאַת קָטָן לְאָבִיו – שֶׁבְּשָׁעָה שֶׁמּוֹצְאָהּ מְרִיצָהּ אֵצֶל אָבִיו, וְאֵינוֹ מְאַחֵר בְּיָדוֹ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: Is this to say that Shmuel holds that a minor does not have the capability of acquiring property for himself by Torah law? But isn’t it taught in a baraita: With regard to one who hires a salaried laborer to harvest his field, the son of the laborer may glean fallen stalks from behind the laborer like all poor people who have a right to the stalks left in the field. But if one hires a laborer as a sharecropper, whether the laborer receives one-half, one-third, or one-quarter of the produce, his son may not glean stalks after him, as the laborer himself is considered a partial owner of the field and is consequently not considered poor. Rabbi Yosei says: In both this case and that case the laborer’s son and wife may glean after him. And Shmuel says that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei.
לְמֵימְרָא דְּסָבַר שְׁמוּאֵל קָטָן לֵית לֵיהּ זְכִיָּיה לְנַפְשֵׁיהּ מִדְּאוֹרָיְיתָא? וְהָתַנְיָא: הַשּׂוֹכֵר אֶת הַפּוֹעֵל – יְלַקֵּט בְּנוֹ אַחֲרָיו. לְמֶחֱצָה, לִשְׁלִישׁ וְלִרְבִיעַ – לֹא יְלַקֵּט בְּנוֹ אַחֲרָיו. רַבִּי יוֹסִי אוֹמֵר: בֵּין כָּךְ וּבֵין כָּךְ יְלַקֵּט בְּנוֹ וְאִשְׁתּוֹ אַחֲרָיו. וְאָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: הֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Granted, if you say that a minor has the capability of acquiring property for himself, Shmuel’s opinion is understood, as when the son gleans stalks, he gleans them for himself and acquires them, and his father subsequently acquires them from him as a gift. Since the minor has no property of his own, his status is that of a poor person and it is permitted for him to glean stalks. But if you say that a minor does not have the capability of acquiring property for himself, then when he gleans the stalks, he gleans them for his father. Since his father is considered wealthy and is not entitled to the gleanings because he owns a portion of the produce, why may his wife and son glean stalks after him?
אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא קָטָן אִית לֵיהּ זְכִיָּיה לְנַפְשֵׁיהּ, כִּי קָא מְלַקֵּט – לְנַפְשֵׁיהּ קָא מְלַקֵּט, וַאֲבוּהּ מִינֵּיהּ קָא זָכֵי. אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ קָטָן לֵית לֵיהּ זְכִיָּיה לְנַפְשֵׁיהּ, כִּי קָא מְלַקֵּט – לְאָבִיו קָא מְלַקֵּט, אֲבוּהּ עָשִׁיר הוּא, אַמַּאי אִשְׁתּוֹ וּבְנוֹ מְלַקֵּט אַחֲרָיו?
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara answers: In Shmuel’s explanation, Shmuel is stating the reason of the tanna of our mishna, but he himself does not hold accordingly. Rather, Shmuel holds in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei that a minor can acquire property for himself.
שְׁמוּאֵל, טַעְמָא דְּתַנָּא דִּידַן קָאָמַר, וְלֵיהּ לָא סְבִירָא לֵיהּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And does Rabbi Yosei hold that a minor has the capability of acquiring property by Torah law? But didn’t we learn in a mishna (Gittin 59b): With regard to the found items of a deaf-mute, an imbecile, or a minor, i.e., lost items that they found, although they are not considered to be halakhically competent and are unable to acquire found items by Torah law, taking such items from them is considered robbery, by rabbinic law, for the sake of the ways of peace. Rabbi Yosei says: This is full-fledged robbery.
וְסָבַר רַבִּי יוֹסֵי קָטָן אִית לֵיהּ זְכִיָּיה מִדְּאוֹרָיְיתָא? וְהָתְנַן: מְצִיאַת חֵרֵשׁ, שׁוֹטֶה וְקָטָן יֵשׁ בָּהֶן מִשּׁוּם גָּזֵל מִפְּנֵי דַּרְכֵי שָׁלוֹם. רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: גָּזֵל גָּמוּר.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : And Rav Ḥisda says that Rabbi Yosei means that it is full-fledged robbery by rabbinic law. And the practical difference between the opinion of the first tanna and Rabbi Yosei’s opinion is that according to Rabbi Yosei, if the robber refuses to return the stolen item, it is appropriated by the judges and returned to its owner. In any event, it is evident from here that Rabbi Yosei also holds that a minor cannot acquire property for himself by Torah law.
וְאָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: גָּזֵל גָּמוּר מִדִּבְרֵיהֶן. נָפְקָא מִינַּהּ לְהוֹצִיאָהּ בְּדַיָּינִין.
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