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Traité Gittin

79b

Étude de Gittin 79b

Étude de la Mishna & Guémara 79b

Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : And the third matter relates to that which Rav Yehuda says that Shmuel says: On Shabbat a person should not stand on this roof and collect rainwater from the roof of another if there is no joining of courtyards. As just as the residences are separated below, so too, the residences are separated above. Each residence has a separate domain, and it is forbidden by rabbinic law to transfer an item from a private domain to another private domain if they are not joined. Similarly, despite the fact that the roofs are not totally separated from one another and nobody lives there, each roof is considered to be its own domain.
וְהָא דְּאָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: לֹא יַעֲמוֹד אָדָם בְּגַג זֶה וְיִקְלוֹט מֵי גְשָׁמִים מִגַּגּוֹ שֶׁל חֲבֵירוֹ, שֶׁכְּשֵׁם שֶׁדִּיּוּרִין חֲלוּקִין מִלְּמַטָּה, כָּךְ דִּיּוּרִין חֲלוּקִין מִלְּמַעְלָה –
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rava explains: This matter applies only with regard to Shabbat. But with regard to a bill of divorce, if it fell onto another roof that is adjacent to the roof that he lent her for the purpose of acquiring the bill of divorce, she is divorced. The reason that a woman is usually not divorced when a bill of divorce falls into a different place, even though that place also belongs to her husband, is due to the fact that a husband is particular and does not want to lend her more than one place; but people are not particular to that extent, i.e., in this case the husband would not be particular about allowing her to temporarily use an adjacent rooftop that also belongs to him.
הָנֵי מִילֵּי לְעִנְיַן שַׁבָּת, אֲבָל לְעִנְיַן גֵּט – מִשּׁוּם קְפִידָא הוּא, וְכוּלֵּי הַאי לָא קָפְדִי אִינָשֵׁי.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : § Abaye says: If there are two courtyards that are configured such that this courtyard is within that courtyard, and the inner courtyard is hers and the outer courtyard is his, and the partitions of the outer courtyard extend higher than the partitions of the inner courtyard, and he threw a bill of divorce to her into her courtyard, once it reaches the airspace of the partitions of the outer courtyard, i.e., it reaches the area above the inner courtyard at a height lower than the height of the partitions of the outer courtyard, she is divorced.
אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: שְׁתֵּי חֲצֵרוֹת זוֹ לִפְנִים מִזּוֹ, פְּנִימִית שֶׁלָּהּ וְחִיצוֹנָה שֶׁלּוֹ, וּמְחִיצוֹת הַחִיצוֹנוֹת עוֹדְפוֹת עַל הַפְּנִימִיּוֹת; וּזְרָקוֹ לָהּ; כֵּיוָן שֶׁהִגִּיעַ לַאֲוִיר מְחִיצוֹת הַחִיצוֹנָה – הֲרֵי זוֹ מְגוֹרֶשֶׁת.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : What is the reason for this? The inner courtyard itself is secured by the partitions of the outer courtyard. Therefore, the outer partitions service the inner courtyard as well. If the bill of divorce is secured by being encompassed by the outer partitions, it can be viewed as belonging to the inner courtyard once it reaches its airspace.
מַאי טַעְמָא? פְּנִימִית גּוּפַהּ – בִּמְחִיצוֹת הַחִיצוֹנָה קָא מִינַּטְרָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara comments: This is not so with regard to baskets. In a case where there were two baskets, this one within that one, resting in a domain that does not belong to either of them, and the inner basket is hers and the outer basket is his, and he threw a bill if divorce to her into her basket, even if the bill of divorce reached the airspace of the inner basket but was burned or taken before it landed therein, she is not divorced.
מַה שֶּׁאֵין כֵּן בְּקוּפּוֹת – שְׁתֵּי קוּפּוֹת זוֹ בְּתוֹךְ זוֹ, פְּנִימִית שֶׁלָּהּ וְחִיצוֹנָה שֶׁלּוֹ; וּזְרָקוֹ לָהּ; אֲפִילּוּ הִגִּיעַ לַאֲוִיר פְּנִימִית – אֵינָהּ מְגוֹרֶשֶׁת.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : What is the reason for this? It is because the bill of divorce did not yet rest within the basket, and in this case, the walls of the outer basket do not service the inner basket.
מַאי טַעְמָא? דְּהָא לָא נָח.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And when it rests within the basket, what of it? They are like the vessels of a buyer in the domain of the seller, since her basket is within his basket, which is his domain. She cannot acquire the bill of divorce, despite the fact that it is in her basket, since it is within his domain.
וְכִי נָח מַאי הָוֵי? כִּלְיוֹ שֶׁל לוֹקֵחַ בִּרְשׁוּת מוֹכֵר הוּא!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara answers: With what are we dealing here? With a basket that has no bottom, and consequently the inner basket is resting on the ground and not inside the outer basket. Therefore, once the bill of divorce lands inside the inner basket, she is indeed divorced.
הָכָא בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן – בְּקוּפָּה שֶׁאֵין לָהּ שׁוּלַיִים.
Mishna 1
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : MISHNA: Beit Shammai say: A man may send, i.e., divorce, his wife with an outdated bill of divorce, and Beit Hillel prohibit him from doing so. And what is an outdated bill of divorce? Any case where he was secluded with her after he wrote it for her and before he gave it to her.
מַתְנִי׳ בֵּית שַׁמַּאי אוֹמְרִים: פּוֹטֵר אָדָם אִשְׁתּוֹ בְּגֵט יָשָׁן. וּבֵית הִלֵּל אוֹסְרִין. וְאֵיזֶהוּ גֵּט יָשָׁן – כֹּל שֶׁנִּתְיַיחֵד עִמָּהּ מֵאַחַר שֶׁכְּתָבוֹ לָהּ.(משנה)
Guémara
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : GEMARA: The Gemara explains: With regard to what do they disagree? Beit Shammai hold that we do not say that the bill of divorce is not valid due to a rabbinic decree, lest they say that receipt of her bill of divorce precedes conception of her son. If he gives her the bill of divorce long after it was written, she may give birth to children from him in the interim. There is a concern that people will say that she was actually divorced on the date written on the bill of divorce before the children were born, and the children were conceived through licentious sexual intercourse.
גְּמָ׳ בְּמַאי קָמִיפַּלְגִי? בֵּית שַׁמַּאי סָבְרִי: לָא אָמְרִינַן גְּזֵרָה שֶׁמָּא יֹאמְרוּ גִּיטָּהּ קוֹדֵם לִבְנָהּ;
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : And Beit Hillel hold that we do say that this bill of divorce is not valid due to a rabbinic decree, lest they say that receipt of her bill of divorce precedes conception of her son. Consequently, if a woman was secluded with her husband following the writing of the bill of divorce, the bill of divorce is not valid.
וּבֵית הִלֵּל סָבְרִי: אָמְרִינַן גְּזֵרָה שֶׁמָּא יֹאמְרוּ גִּיטָּהּ קוֹדֵם לִבְנָהּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rabbi Abba says that Shmuel says: Even according to Beit Hillel, if the woman was married on the basis of an outdated bill of divorce given to her by her previous husband, who did not ask advice from the rabbis, she need not leave her second husband. In such a case, this decree is not severe enough to invalidate the bill of divorce.
אָמַר רַבִּי אַבָּא אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: אִם נִישֵּׂאת, לֹא תֵּצֵא.
Gittin 79b
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