Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : And she requires eight immersions during the day to purify her from her ziva, as it is possible that she experienced bleeding for three consecutive days, rendering her a greater zava, and one of those was on this day that she came before the court, and it is also possible that the day she arrived she did not experience bleeding, and she was a zava during her last clean day and had to immerse that day. If she comes before us at night, we give her eight immersions to purify herself from her menstruation, including one on the night that she comes before the court, and seven immersions during the day to purify herself from her ziva.
וְתַמְנֵי לְזִיבָה, אֲתַאי קַמַּן בְּלֵילָוָתָא — יָהֲבִינַן לַהּ תַּמְנֵי לְנִדָּה וְשַׁב לְזִיבָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara raises a difficulty: With regard to her ziva, she still requires eight immersions. Since it is possible that she experienced bleeding for the third day on the day before coming to the court, she might be a greater zava, who starts her clean days only the day after she arrived. In addition, any of the first seven days may be the last clean day, on which she has to immerse herself. The Gemara answers: Rather, in both this case and that case she requires seven immersions to purify herself from the impurity of menstruation, and eight immersions to purify herself from the impurity of ziva.
זִיבָה, תַּמְנֵי בָּעֲיָא! אֶלָּא: אִידֵּי וְאִידֵּי — שַׁב לְנִדָּה, וְתַמְנֵי לְזִיבָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara raises a further difficulty: If the woman comes at night to the court, she requires eight immersions to purify herself from her impurity of menstruation. Why does the baraita require her to immerse a total of only fifteen times when there are cases where she must immerse sixteen times?
בְּלֵילָוָתָא, תַּמְנֵי לְנִדָּה בָּעֵי!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara answers: With regard to purifying herself from the impurity of ziva, which can be taught in a distinct manner, as there is no difference whether she comes before us during the day and there is no difference whether she comes before us at night, the baraita counts the fixed amount of eight immersions. By contrast, with regard to purifying herself from menstruation, which the tanna cannot teach in a distinct manner, as when she comes before us at night she requires eight immersions but if she comes before us during the day she does not require eight immersions, the tanna did not count both options, but mentioned only seven immersions, which is the minimum number required.
זִיבָה דִּפְסִיקָא לֵיהּ, דְּלָא שְׁנָא כִּי אָתְיָא קַמַּן בִּימָמָא, לָא שְׁנָא כִּי אָתְיָא קַמַּן בְּלֵילְיָא — חֲשִׁיב לַהּ. נִדָּה דְּלָא פְּסִיקָא לֵיהּ, דְּכִי אָתְיָא קַמַּן בְּלֵילָוָתָא — בָּעֵי תַּמְנֵי, בִּימָמָא — לָא קָבָעֵי תַּמְנֵי, לָא קָחָשֵׁיב לַהּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara returns to the initial purpose of this discussion, which was to indicate that the Rabbis do not require all seven days of counting before the court. And if it enters your mind that we require seven days of counting before us, why do I need all of these immersions? She should count seven clean days and only afterward immerse. Rather, must one not conclude from this that the baraita is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis, who disagree with Rabbi Akiva and who say that we do not require seven days of counting before us?
וְאִי סָלְקָא דַעְתָּךְ סְפוּרִין לְפָנֵינוּ בָּעֵינַן — כֹּל הָנֵי טְבִילוֹת לְמָה לִי? תִּסְפּוֹר שַׁב וַהֲדַר תִּטְבּוֹל! אֶלָּא לָאו שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ רַבָּנַן הִיא, דְּאָמְרִי: לָא בָּעֵינַן סְפוּרִין לְפָנֵינוּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rav Aḥa, son of Rav Yosef, said to Rav Ashi, in rejection of this proof: But didn’t you resolve a difficulty in the baraita? Since you admit that the baraita in any event requires revision, resolve this difficulty too, and say this: If a woman comes and says: I counted clean days but I do not know how many days I counted, and I do not know whether I counted during the days of menstruation or whether I counted during the days of ziva, the court instructs her to immerse fifteen immersions. If so, there is no proof that the Rabbis hold that the counting does not need to be before the court.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב אַחָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יוֹסֵף לְרַב אָשֵׁי: לָאו תָּרוֹצֵי קָמְתָרְצִינַן לַהּ? תָּרֵיץ וְאֵימָא הָכִי: ״סָפַרְתִּי וְאֵינִי יוֹדַעַת כַּמָּה סָפַרְתִּי, אִם בִּימֵי נִדָּה סָפַרְתִּי וְאִם בִּימֵי זִיבָה סָפַרְתִּי״ — מַטְבִּילִין אוֹתָהּ חֲמֵשׁ עֶשְׂרֵה טְבִילוֹת.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara raises a difficulty with regard to this interpretation of the baraita: If it is referring to a case where the woman said: I counted clean days but I do not know how many days I counted, it is impossible that she did not count at least one clean day. If so, she should not be required to immerse on the eighth day, in which case she is lacking one immersion, as the baraita rules that she must immerse fifteen times.
״סָפַרְתִּי וְאֵינִי יוֹדַעַת כַּמָּה סָפַרְתִּי״ — חַד יוֹמָא מִיהָא אִי אֶפְשָׁר דְּלָא סָפְרָה, חָסְרָה לָהּ טְבִילָה!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara answers: Rather, say that she claims: I do not know if I counted any clean days or I did not count any clean days. Likewise, she does not know whether she saw the blood during her days of menstruation or during her days of ziva. Therefore, she must immerse fifteen times, as it is possible that she has not yet counted at all.
אֶלָּא אֵימָא: ״אֵינִי יוֹדַעַת אִם סָפַרְתִּי אִם לֹא סָפַרְתִּי״.
Mishna 1
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : MISHNA: The corpses of a zav, and a zava, and a menstruating woman, and a woman after childbirth, and a leper, who died, transmit ritual impurity by carrying their corpses, until the flesh decays. With regard to the corpse of a gentile who died, although when alive he transmits impurity like a zav, once he dies he is ritually pure and is prevented from transmitting impurity.
מַתְנִי' הַזָּב, וְהַזָּבָה, וְהַנִּדָּה, וְהַיּוֹלֶדֶת, וְהַמְּצוֹרָע שֶׁמֵּתוּ — מְטַמְּאִין בְּמַשָּׂא, עַד שֶׁיִּמּוֹק הַבָּשָׂר. נׇכְרִי שֶׁמֵּת — טָהוֹר מִלְּטַמֵּא.(משנה)
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Beit Shammai say: The status of all women when they die is as though they were menstruating women at the time of death. Therefore, the garments that they were wearing before they died are impure and require immersion. And Beit Hillel say: Only a woman who died with the impurity of a menstruating woman has the status of a menstruating woman after death.
בֵּית שַׁמַּאי אוֹמְרִים: כׇּל הַנָּשִׁים מֵתוֹת נִדּוֹת, וּבֵית הִלֵּל אוֹמְרִים: אֵין נִדָּה אֶלָּא שֶׁמֵּתָה נִדָּה.
Guémara
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : GEMARA: The mishna teaches that the corpse of one of these impure people transmits ritual impurity by carrying. The Gemara asks: What does the mishna mean by the term: By carrying? If we say that it literally means by carrying, that is difficult: Is that to say that every other corpse does not impart ritual impurity by carrying? Since every corpse imparts impurity through carrying, why does the mishna need to specify this halakha in these specific cases?
גְּמָ' מַאי בְּמַשָּׂא? אִילֵּימָא בְּמַשָּׂא מַמָּשׁ — אַטּוּ כֹּל מֵת מִי לָא מְטַמֵּא בְּמַשָּׂא!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rather, what does the mishna mean when it states: By carrying [bemassa]? It means imparting impurity through a very heavy stone [even mesama]. There is a unique halakha with regard to the ritual impurity of a zav and a menstruating woman. If they sit on an item, even one that cannot become ritually impure, and beneath that item there is a vessel, although the weight of the zav or the menstruating woman has no physical effect on the vessel, it becomes ritually impure.
אֶלָּא מַאי בְּמַשָּׂא? בְּאֶבֶן מְסָמָא,