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97b

Étude de Menachot 97b

Étude de la Guémara 97b

Guémara
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : and the bottom shall be a cubit, and the breadth a cubit, and its border by its edge round about shall be the one span. And this shall be the higher part of the altar” (Ezekiel 43:13). The first section of this verse is referring to the outer altar: “The bottom shall be a cubit,” this is the base of the altar. “And the breadth a cubit,” this is the surrounding ledge of the altar. “And its border by its edge round about shall be the one span,” these are the protruding corners of the altar, which were one cubit wide and one cubit high. “And this shall be the higher part of the altar,” this is referring to the golden altar, which stood inside the Sanctuary and was also measured with small cubits.
וְחֵיק הָאַמָּה וְאַמָּה רֹחַב וּגְבוּלָהּ אֶל שְׂפָתָהּ סָבִיב זֶרֶת הָאֶחָד וְזֶה גַּב הַמִּזְבֵּחַ״. ״חֵיק הָאַמָּה״ – זֶה יְסוֹד, ״אַמָּה רֹחַב״ – זֶה סוֹבֵב, ״וּגְבוּלָהּ אֶל שְׂפָתָהּ סָבִיב זֶרֶת הָאֶחָד״ – אֵלּוּ קְרָנוֹת, ״זֶה גַּב הַמִּזְבֵּחַ״ – זֶה מִזְבַּח הַזָּהָב.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rabbi Yoḥanan explains that Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Yehuda disagree with regard to the inference from the phrase “And this shall be the higher part of the altar.” Rabbi Meir maintains that one can infer that it is this, the golden altar, which is measured with a cubit of five handbreadths, but all the cubits of the other vessels in the Temple are measured with a cubit of six handbreadths. And Rabbi Yehuda maintains that one can infer that like this small cubit shall be all the cubits of the other vessels in the Temple.
רַבִּי מֵאִיר סָבַר: ״זֶהוּ״ – בְּאַמָּה בַּת חֲמִשָּׁה, הָא כׇּל אַמּוֹת כֵּלִים בְּאַמָּה בַּת שֵׁשׁ. וְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה סָבַר: כְּזֶה יְהוּ כׇּל אַמּוֹת כֵּלִים.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara discusses the interpretation of the verse: It might enter your mind to say that the verse is referring to the height of the sections of the altar, i.e., from the base of the altar until the surrounding ledge the height is measured with a cubit of five handbreadths. And what is the meaning of the phrase “The bottom shall be a cubit, and the breadth a cubit”? This is what the verse is saying: From the cubit at the bottom, i.e., the base of the altar, until the cubit of the breadth of the surrounding ledge shall be measured with a cubit of five handbreadths.
קָא סָלְקָא דַּעְתָּךְ מִיְּסוֹד וְעַד סוֹבֵב בְּאַמָּה בַּת חֲמִשָּׁה בְּגוֹבַהּ. וּמַאי ״חֵיק הָאַמָּה וְאַמָּה רֹחַב״? הָכִי קָא אָמַר: מֵחֵיק הָאַמָּה וְעַד רוֹחַב בְּאַמָּה בַּת חֲמִשָּׁה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara explains the difficulty with this interpretation: According to this interpretation, how many cubits is the height of the altar? It is ten cubits. Six of these cubits, from the ground up to the surrounding ledge, are measured with a cubit of five handbreadths each, totaling thirty handbreadths. And the remaining four cubits, from the ledge up to the top of the corners of the altar, are measured with a cubit of six handbreadths each, totaling twenty-four handbreadths.
גּוֹבַהּ הַמִּזְבֵּחַ כַּמָּה הָוֵי? עֶשֶׂר אַמּוֹת: שֵׁית בְּנֵי חַמְשָׁה חַמְשָׁה, וְאַרְבְּעֵי בְּנֵי שִׁיתָּא שִׁיתָּא.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Accordingly, how many handbreadths is the height of the altar? It is fifty-four handbreadths. How many handbreadths is the height of half of the altar? It is twenty-seven handbreadths. How many handbreadths is the height from the top of the corners of the altar until the surrounding ledge? It is twenty-four handbreadths, four cubits of six handbreadths each. Therefore, how many handbreadths is the surrounding ledge short of half the height of the altar? It is three handbreadths above the halfway mark. And we learned in a mishna (Middot 3:1): A red line encircled the altar in the middle, in order to separate between the blood that must be presented on the upper part of the altar and the blood that must be presented on the lower part of the altar.
מִזְבֵּחַ כַּמָּה הָוֵי? חַמְשִׁין וְאַרְבְּעָה. פַּלְגֵיהּ דְּמִזְבֵּחַ כַּמָּה הָוֵי? עֶשְׂרִין וְשִׁבְעָה. מִקְּרָנוֹת וְעַד סוֹבֵב כַּמָּה הָוֵי? עֶשְׂרִין וְאַרְבְּעָה. כַּמָּה בְּצִיר לְפַלְגֵיהּ דְּמִזְבֵּחַ? תְּלָתָא. וּתְנַן: חוּט שֶׁל סִקְרָא חוֹגְרוֹ בָּאֶמְצַע, כְּדֵי לְהַבְדִּיל בֵּין דָּמִים הָעֶלְיוֹנִים לְדָמִים הַתַּחְתּוֹנִים.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : But this interpretation is contradicted by that which is taught in a baraita with regard to the bird burnt offering, the blood of which must be presented on the upper part of the altar: The priest would ascend the ramp and turn to the surrounding ledge and arrive at the southeast corner. He would pinch off the bird’s head across its nape, and separate it from its body. He would then squeeze out its blood on the wall of the altar beside him. And if the priest performed the squeezing below his feet, i.e., below the surrounding ledge, even one cubit beneath the ledge, it is valid.
אֶלָּא הָא דְּתַנְיָא גַּבֵּי עוֹלַת הָעוֹף: הָיָה עוֹלֶה בַּכֶּבֶשׁ, וּפָנָה לַסּוֹבֵב, וּבָא לוֹ לְקֶרֶן דְּרוֹמִית [מִזְרָחִית], וּמוֹלֵק אֶת רֹאשָׁהּ מִמּוּל עׇרְפָּה, וּמַבְדִּיל, וּמוֹצֶה אֶת דָּמָהּ עַל קִיר הַמִּזְבֵּחַ, וְאִם עֲשָׂאָהּ לְמַטָּה מֵרַגְלָיו אֲפִילּוּ אַמָּה אַחַת – כְּשֵׁירָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara explains the difficulty: According to the previous calculation, the surrounding ledge was only three handbreadths above the halfway mark. Therefore, if one squeezes out the blood one cubit, of five handbreadths, below the ledge, isn’t he putting the blood of an offering that must be presented on the upper part of the altar, two handbreadths below the middle of the altar?
הָא קָא יָהֵיב עֶלְיוֹנָה לְמַטָּה מִשְּׁנֵי טְפָחִים!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rather, the verse must be interpreted differently. It is not referring to the height of the altar but to the width of each of its levels, as follows: “The bottom shall be a cubit”: From the top of the external side of the base of the altar, the wall of the altar is inset by one cubit of five handbreadths. “And the breadth a cubit,” this is referring to the width of the surrounding ledge of the altar, as at this point the wall is again inset by one cubit of five handbreadths. “Its border by its edge round about shall be the one span,” this is referring to the width of the corners of the altar, which is also a cubit of five handbreadths, causing the area of the top of the altar to be inset by an additional cubit.
אֶלָּא, ״חֵיק הָאַמָּה״ – כְּנִיסָה, ״אַמָּה רֹחַב״ – כְּנִיסָה, ״גְּבוּלָהּ אֶל שְׂפָתָהּ סָבִיב״ – כְּנִיסָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara explains the halakha with regard to the bird burnt offering according to this interpretation: How many handbreadths is the height of the altar? It is sixty handbreadths, ten cubits of six handbreadths each. How many handbreadths is the height of half of the altar? It is thirty handbreadths. How many handbreadths is the height from the top of the corners of the altar until the surrounding ledge? It is twenty-four handbreadths, four cubits of six handbreadths each. Therefore, how many handbreadths is the surrounding ledge short of half the height of the altar? It is six handbreadths above the halfway mark. And we learned in the baraita: And if the priest performed the squeezing below his feet, even one cubit beneath the ledge, it is valid. According to this calculation, one cubit below the surrounding ledge is still part of the upper section of the altar.
מִזְבֵּחַ כַּמָּה הָוֵה לֵיהּ? שִׁיתִּין. פַּלְגֵיהּ דְּמִזְבֵּחַ כַּמָּה הָוֵי? תְּלָתִין. מִקְּרָנוֹת וְעַד סוֹבֵב כַּמָּה הָוֵי? עֶשְׂרִים וְאַרְבְּעָה. כַּמָּה בְּצִיר לְפַלְגֵיהּ דְּמִזְבֵּחַ? שִׁשָּׁה. וּתְנַן: אִם עֲשָׂאָהּ לְמַטָּה מֵרַגְלָיו אֲפִילּוּ אַמָּה אַחַת – כְּשֵׁרָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: To what part of the altar did you interpret the verse to be referring? It is referring to the width by which each section of the altar is inset. And can you interpret the verse as referring to the width by which each section is inset? But didn’t we learn in a mishna (Middot 3:1): The measurements of the base of the altar were thirty-two cubits by thirty-two cubits. Once the altar rose to the height of one cubit it was inset by one cubit on each side. This lower section was the base of the altar. One therefore finds that the second section of the altar measured thirty cubits by thirty cubits.
בְּמַאי אוֹקֵימְתַּאּ? בִּכְנִיסָה. וּמִי מָצֵית מוֹקְמַתְּ לָהּ בִּכְנִיסָה? וְהָא תְּנַן: מִזְבֵּחַ הָיָה שְׁלֹשִׁים וּשְׁתַּיִם עַל שְׁלֹשִׁים וּשְׁתַּיִם, עָלָה אַמָּה וְכָנַס אַמָּה – זֶהוּ יְסוֹד, נִמְצָא שְׁלֹשִׁים עַל שְׁלֹשִׁים.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : If the width of the base is measured with a cubit of five handbreadths, then the second section of the altar does not measure thirty cubits by thirty cubits. Since the rest of the altar is measured with a cubit of six handbreadths, the second section measures thirty cubits and two handbreadths.
שְׁלֹשִׁים וּשְׁנֵי טְפָחִים הָוֵי.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : And furthermore, the aforementioned mishna continues: Once the altar rose to the height of six cubits, i.e., five cubits above the base, it was inset by one cubit on each side, forming a ledge. This is the surrounding ledge. One therefore finds that the third section of the altar measured twenty-eight cubits by twenty-eight cubits. If the width of the base and the surrounding ledge are measured with a cubit of five handbreadths, the third section measures twenty-eight cubits and four handbreadths.
וְתוּ: עָלָה חָמֵשׁ, וְכָנַס אַמָּה – זֶהוּ סוֹבֵב. נִמְצָא עֶשְׂרִים וּשְׁמוֹנֶה עַל עֶשְׂרִים וּשְׁמוֹנֶה. עֶשְׂרִים וּשְׁמוֹנֶה (וארבע) [וְאַרְבָּעָה] טְפָחִים הָוֵי!
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