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Traité Menachot

29a

Étude de Menachot 29a

Étude de la Guémara 29a

Guémara
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : and the eighteen of the six branches; this equals twenty-two goblets. Concerning the knobs as well, it is clear how the number eleven was reached. The Candelabrum contains the two knobs of its main shaft, as the verse states: “Its knobs” (Exodus 25:34), with the plural “knobs” indicating that there were two, and the six of the six branches, as it is written: “In one branch, a knob and a flower” (Exodus 25:33). In addition to these eight knobs, the verse states: “And a knob under two branches of one piece with it, and a knob under two branches of one piece with it, and a knob under two branches of one piece with it” (Exodus 25:35); this equals eleven knobs.
וְתַמְנֵי סְרֵי דְּקָנִים, הָא עֶשְׂרִין וְתַרְתֵּין. כַּפְתּוֹרִין נָמֵי אַחַד עָשָׂר כַּפְתּוֹרִין: תְּרֵי דִּידַהּ, וְשִׁשָּׁה דְּקָנִים, וְכַפְתֹּר וְכַפְתֹּר וְכַפְתֹּר, הָא חַד סָר.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : But from where do we derive that the Candelabrum contained nine flowers? According to the verse there are the two flowers of its main shaft, as it is written: “And its flowers” (Exodus 25:34), and the six of the six branches, as it is written: “In one branch, a knob and a flower” (Exodus 25:33), meaning that there are eight, not nine, flowers on the Candelabrum. Rav Shalman said in response: It is written: “It was a beaten work, from the base to the flower” (Numbers 8:4), which teaches that there was a ninth flower near the base.
אֶלָּא פְּרָחִים תִּשְׁעָה מְנָלַן? פְּרָחִים תְּרֵי דִּידַהּ, וְשִׁשָּׁה דְּקָנִים – תְּמָנְיָא הָווּ! אָמַר רַב שַׁלְמָן: כְּתִיב ״עַד יְרֵכָהּ עַד פִּרְחָהּ מִקְשָׁה הִיא״.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rav says: The height of the Candelabrum is nine handbreadths. Rav Shimi bar Ḥiyya raised an objection to the statement of Rav: We learned in a mishna (Tamid 30b): There was a stone before the Candelabrum and it had three steps, upon which the priest would stand and prepare the lamps for kindling. If the Candelabrum was only nine handbreadths high, why would it be necessary for the priest to stand on an elevated surface to reach the lamps?
אָמַר רַב: גּוֹבְהָהּ שֶׁל מְנוֹרָה תִּשְׁעָה טְפָחִים. אֵיתִיבֵיהּ רַב שִׁימִי בַּר חִיָּיא לְרַב: אֶבֶן הָיְתָה לִפְנֵי מְנוֹרָה וּבָהּ שָׁלֹשׁ מַעֲלוֹת, שֶׁעָלֶיהָ הַכֹּהֵן עוֹמֵד וּמֵטִיב אֶת הַנֵּרוֹת.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rav said to him: Shimi, is it you who is asking me such a question? When I said that the height of the Candelabrum is nine handbreadths, I was referring not to the total height, which is eighteen handbreadths; rather, I meant that the Candelabrum is nine handbreadths from the point at which the branches extend from the main shaft and above.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ שִׁימִי: אַתְּ? כִּי קָאָמֵינָא מִשְּׂפַת קָנִים וּלְמַעְלָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : § It is written: “And the flowers, and the lamps, and the tongs, of gold, and that perfect gold [mikhlot zahav]” (II Chronicles 4:21). The Gemara asks: What is meant by mikhlot zahav? Rav Ami says: It is a reference to the fact that the Candelabrum and its vessels exhausted [kilattu] all of Solomon’s pure [sagur] gold [zahav], which was used in its fashioning in such great quantities. As Rav Yehuda says that Rav said: Solomon made ten Candelabrums, and for each and every one he brought one thousand talents of gold, and they placed the gold in the furnace to refine it one thousand times, until they reduced the gold to one talent for each Candelabrum, as it is stated: “Of a talent of pure gold shall it be made” (Exodus 25:39).
כְּתִיב: ״וְהַפֶּרַח וְהַנֵּרוֹת וְהַמֶּלְקַחַיִם זָהָב הוּא מִכְלוֹת זָהָב״. מַאי ״מִיכְלוֹת זָהָב״? אָמַר רַב אַמֵּי: שֶׁכִּילַּתּוּ לְכׇל זָהָב סָגוּר שֶׁל שְׁלֹמֹה, דְּאָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר רַב: עֶשֶׂר מְנוֹרוֹת עָשָׂה שְׁלֹמֹה, וְכׇל אַחַת וְאַחַת הֵבִיא לָהּ אֶלֶף כִּכַּר זָהָב, וְהִכְנִיסוּהוּ אֶלֶף פְּעָמִים לְכוֹר, וְהֶעֱמִידוּהוּ עַל כִּכָּר.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: Is that so that all of Solomon’s gold was exhausted for the fashioning of the Candelabrum and its vessels? But isn’t it written: “And all King Solomon’s drinking vessels were of gold, and all the vessels of the house of the forest of Lebanon were of pure gold; silver was nothing accounted of in the days of Solomon” (II Chronicles 9:20)? The Gemara answers: We are saying that Solomon’s pure gold was exhausted for the fashioning of the Candelabrum, but not all of his gold.
אִינִי? וְהָכְתִיב: ״וְכׇל כְּלֵי מַשְׁקֵה הַמֶּלֶךְ שְׁלֹמֹה זָהָב וְכֹל כְּלֵי בֵּית יַעַר הַלְּבָנוֹן זָהָב סָגוּר אֵין כֶּסֶף נֶחְשָׁב בִּימֵי שְׁלֹמֹה לִמְאוּמָה״! זָהָב סָגוּר קָא אָמְרִינַן.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And would refining the gold reduce it to this extent, that one thousand talents of gold would be reduced to one talent? But isn’t it taught in a baraita: Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, says: An incident occurred where the weight of the Candelabrum of the Temple was found to be greater than the weight of the Candelabrum of Moses by one Kordikini gold dinar, and they placed it in the furnace eighty times until the weight of the Candelabrum stood at precisely one talent. Evidently, putting the Candelabrum into a furnace reduces its weight by very little. The Gemara answers: Once it is standing, it is standing, i.e., since the gold was refined to such a degree in the time of Solomon, later when it was refined eighty times it was reduced by the weight of only one dinar.
וּמִי חֲסַר כּוּלֵּי הַאי? וְהָתַנְיָא: רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: מַעֲשֶׂה וְהָיְתָה [מְנוֹרַת] בֵּית הַמִּקְדָּשׁ יְתֵירָה עַל שֶׁל מֹשֶׁה בְּדִינַר זָהָב קוּרְדְיָקֵינִי, וְהִכְנִיסוּהָ שְׁמוֹנִים פְּעָמִים לְכוֹר, וְהֶעֱמִידוּהָ עַל כִּכָּר. כֵּיוָן דְּקָאֵי קָאֵי.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : § Rabbi Shmuel bar Naḥmani says that Rabbi Yonatan says: What is the meaning of that which is written: “Upon the pure Candelabrum” (Leviticus 24:4)? It teaches that the procedure for fashioning it descended, i.e., was shown to Moses, from the place of purity, i.e., by God, who showed Moses a model of the Candelabrum. The Gemara asks: If that is so, is that to say that phrase “upon the pure Table” (Leviticus 24:6) also teaches that the procedure for fashioning it was shown to Moses from the place of purity? Rather, the expression “the pure Table” teaches, by inference, that it is susceptible to becoming ritually impure. Here too, the expression “the pure Candelabrum” teaches, by inference, that it is susceptible to becoming ritually impure.
אָמַר רַבִּי שְׁמוּאֵל בַּר נַחְמָנִי, אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹנָתָן, מַאי דִּכְתִיב: ״עַל הַמְּנֹרָה הַטְּהֹרָה״, שֶׁיָּרְדוּ מַעֲשֶׂיהָ מִמְּקוֹם טׇהֳרָה. אֶלָּא מֵעַתָּה, ״עַל הַשֻּׁלְחָן הַטָּהוֹר״ שֶׁיָּרְדוּ מַעֲשָׂיו מִמָּקוֹם טָהוֹר? אֶלָּא טָהוֹר – מִכְּלָל שֶׁהוּא טָמֵא, הָכָא נָמֵי טְהוֹרָה – מִכְּלָל שֶׁהִיא טְמֵאָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara rejects this: Granted, the inference drawn there with regard to the Table is in accordance with that which Reish Lakish says; as Reish Lakish says: What is the meaning of that which is written: “Upon the pure Table” (Leviticus 24:6)? The expression “pure Table” teaches, by inference, that it is susceptible to becoming ritually impure, but why? Isn’t the Table a wooden vessel designated to rest in a fixed place, and any wooden vessel that is designated to rest in a fixed place is not susceptible to becoming ritually impure? Rather, this teaches that the Table was not always left in a fixed place; the priests would lift the Table with its shewbread to display the shewbread to the pilgrims standing in the Temple courtyard, and a priest would say to them: See your affection before the Omnipresent. For this reason, the Table is susceptible to becoming ritually impure.
בִּשְׁלָמָא הָתָם, כִּדְרֵישׁ לָקִישׁ, דְּאָמַר רֵישׁ לָקִישׁ: מַאי דִּכְתִיב ״עַל הַשֻּׁלְחָן הַטָּהוֹר״, מִכְּלָל שֶׁהוּא טָמֵא? כְּלִי עֵץ הֶעָשׂוּי לְנַחַת הוּא, וְכׇל כְּלִי עֵץ הֶעָשׂוּי לְנַחַת אֵינוֹ מְקַבֵּל טוּמְאָה! אֶלָּא מְלַמֵּד שֶׁמַּגְבִּיהִין אוֹתוֹ לְעוֹלֵי רְגָלִים, וּמַרְאִים לָהֶם לֶחֶם הַפָּנִים, וְאוֹמֵר לָהֶם: רְאוּ חִיבַּתְכֶם לִפְנֵי הַמָּקוֹם.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Parenthetically, the Gemara asks: What is meant by: See your affection before God? It is in accordance with that which Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi says, as Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi says: A great miracle was performed with the shewbread: Its condition at the time of its removal from the Table, after having been left there for a week, was like its condition at the time of its arrangement on the Table, as it is stated: “To place hot bread on the day when it was taken away” (I Samuel 21:7), indicating that it was as hot on the day of its removal as it was on the day when it was placed on the Table.
מַאי חִיבַּתְכֶם? כִּדְרַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן לֵוִי, דְּאָמַר רַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן לֵוִי: נֵס גָּדוֹל נַעֲשָׂה בְּלֶחֶם הַפָּנִים, סִילּוּקוֹ כְּסִידּוּרוֹ, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: ״לָשׂוּם לֶחֶם חֹם בְּיוֹם הִלָּקְחוֹ״.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara resumes stating its objection: But here, with regard to the Candelabrum, there is no reason to explain that the expression “the pure Candelabrum” teaches, by inference, that it is susceptible to becoming ritually impure; this is obvious, as the Candelabrums are metal vessels, and metal vessels are susceptible to becoming ritually impure whether or not they remain in a fixed location. Rather, it must be that the expression “the pure Candelabrum” teaches that the procedure for fashioning it descended, i.e., was shown to Moses, from the place of purity.
אֶלָּא הָכָא, ״טְהוֹרָה״ מִכְּלָל שֶׁהִיא טְמֵאָה? פְּשִׁיטָא, כְּלֵי מַתָּכוֹת נִינְהוּ, וּכְלֵי מַתָּכוֹת מְקַבְּלִין טוּמְאָה! אֶלָּא, שֶׁיָּרְדוּ מַעֲשֶׂיהָ מִמְּקוֹם טׇהֳרָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : § It is taught in a baraita: Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, says: An Ark of fire and a Table of fire and a Candelabrum of fire descended from the Heavens, and Moses saw their format and fashioned the vessels for the Tabernacle in their likeness. As it is stated after the command to fashion these items: “And see that you make them after their pattern, which is being shown to you in the mount” (Exodus 25:40).
תַּנְיָא, רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: אָרוֹן שֶׁל אֵשׁ וְשֻׁלְחָן שֶׁל אֵשׁ וּמְנוֹרָה שֶׁל אֵשׁ יָרְדוּ מִן הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְרָאָה מֹשֶׁה וְעָשָׂה כְּמוֹתָם, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר: ״וּרְאֵה וַעֲשֵׂה כְּתַבְנִיתָם אֲשֶׁר אַתָּה מׇרְאֶה בָּהָר״.
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