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Traité Menachot

25b

Étude de Menachot 25b

Étude de la Guémara 25b

Guémara
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : the offering is not accepted, as the verse states with regard to the frontplate: “That it may be accepted for them before the Lord” (Exodus 28:38), with the term “for them” teaching that this applies only for Jews, not for gentiles.
לֹא הוּרְצָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : And the Gemara raises a contradiction from another baraita: For what does the frontplate worn by the High Priest effect acceptance? It effects acceptance for the blood, for the flesh, and for the fat of an offering that became impure in the Temple, whether they were rendered impure unwittingly or intentionally, whether due to circumstances beyond one’s control or willfully, whether in the case of the offering of an individual or in the case of a communal offering. In contrast to the statement of the previous baraita, this baraita teaches that the frontplate does effect acceptance in the case of an individual offering for blood that became impure and was sprinkled intentionally.
ורְמִינְהִי: עַל מָה הַצִּיץ מְרַצֶּה? עַל הַדָּם וְעַל הַבָּשָׂר וְעַל הַחֵלֶב שֶׁנִּטְמָא, בֵּין בְּשׁוֹגֵג בֵּין בְּמֵזִיד, בֵּין בְּאוֹנֶס בֵּין בְּרָצוֹן, בֵּין בְּיָחִיד בֵּין בְּצִיבּוּר.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rav Yosef said: This is not difficult. This baraita, which teaches that the frontplate effects acceptance for impure blood of an individual offering that was sprinkled intentionally, is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei, whereas that baraita, which teaches that the frontplate does not effect acceptance, is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis. As it is taught in a baraita: One may not separate teruma from ritually impure produce for ritually pure produce. And if he separated teruma from impure produce unwittingly, his teruma is considered teruma, but if he did so intentionally, the Sages penalize him and his teruma is not teruma. Rabbi Yosei says: Whether he did so unwittingly or intentionally, his teruma is teruma. Like the ruling found in the second baraita, Rabbi Yosei does not distinguish between a case where one acted unwittingly and where one acted intentionally.
אָמַר רַב יוֹסֵף: לָא קַשְׁיָא, הָא רַבִּי יוֹסֵי, הָא רַבָּנַן. דְּתַנְיָא: אֵין תּוֹרְמִין מִן הַטָּמֵא עַל הַטָּהוֹר, וְאִם תָּרַם בְּשׁוֹגֵג – תְּרוּמָתוֹ תְּרוּמָה, בְּמֵזִיד – אֵין תְּרוּמָתוֹ תְּרוּמָה. רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: בֵּין בְּשׁוֹגֵג בֵּין בְּמֵזִיד – תְּרוּמָתוֹ תְּרוּמָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara objects to the comparison: You can say that you heard that Rabbi Yosei holds that the Sages do not penalize him. Did you hear him say, as the baraita teaches, that the frontplate effects acceptance for the impurity of the portions of offerings that are to be eaten? But isn’t it taught in a baraita that Rabbi Eliezer says: The frontplate effects acceptance for the impurity of the portions of offerings that are to be eaten, and Rabbi Yosei says: The frontplate does not effect acceptance for the impurity of portions of offerings that are to be eaten?
אֵימַר דְּשָׁמְעַתְּ לֵיהּ לְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי דְּלָא קָנֵיס, דִּמְרַצֵּה צִיץ עַל אֲכִילוֹת מִי שָׁמְעַתְּ לֵיהּ? וְהָתַנְיָא: רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר אוֹמֵר: הַצִּיץ מְרַצֶּה עַל אֲכִילוֹת, רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: אֵין הַצִּיץ מְרַצֶּה עַל אֲכִילוֹת.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara answers: Reverse the opinions, so that Rabbi Eliezer says: The frontplate does not effect acceptance for the impurity of the portions of offerings that are to be eaten, and Rabbi Yosei says: The frontplate does effect acceptance for the impurity of portions of offerings that are to be eaten.
אֵיפוֹךְ: רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר אוֹמֵר: אֵין הַצִּיץ מְרַצֶּה עַל אֲכִילוֹת, רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: הַצִּיץ מְרַצֶּה עַל אֲכִילוֹת.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rav Sheshet objects to this: And are you able to reverse the opinions and say that according to Rabbi Eliezer the frontplate does not effect acceptance for the impurity of portions that are to be eaten? But isn’t it taught in a baraita: One might have thought that one who partakes of impure sacrificial meat, i.e., one who partakes of the meat while in a state of ritual impurity, before the sprinkling of the blood takes place, is liable for eating it due to violation of the prohibition against partaking of the meat while ritually impure.
מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רַב שֵׁשֶׁת: וּמִי מָצֵית אָפְכַתְּ לַהּ? וְהָתַנְיָא: יָכוֹל בָּשָׂר שֶׁנִּטְמָא לִפְנֵי זְרִיקַת דָּמִים יְהוּ חַיָּיבִין עֲלֵיהֶן מִשּׁוּם טוּמְאָה?
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : To counter this, the verse states: “Every one that is ritually pure may eat of it” (Leviticus 7:19), and immediately afterward the verse states: “But the soul that eats of the meat of the sacrifice of peace offerings, that belong to the Lord, having his impurity upon him, that soul shall be cut off from his people” (Leviticus 7:20). The juxtaposition of these verses teaches that if one who is impure partakes of that which has become permitted to those who are ritually pure, he is liable for eating it due to violation of the prohibition against partaking of the meat while ritually impure.
תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״כׇּל טָהוֹר יֹאכַל בָּשָׂר״, ״וְהַנֶּפֶשׁ אֲשֶׁר תֹּאכַל בָּשָׂר מִזֶּבַח הַשְּׁלָמִים אֲשֶׁר לַה׳ וְטֻמְאָתוֹ עָלָיו וְנִכְרְתָה״, הַנִּיתָּר לִטְהוֹרִין חַיָּיבִין עָלָיו מִשּׁוּם טוּמְאָה,
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : But if one who is impure partakes of that which is not permitted to those who are pure, he is not liable for eating it due to violation of the prohibition against partaking of the meat while ritually impure. Since it is not permitted to eat the sacrificial meat before the sprinkling of the blood, one who partakes of it at that point is not liable to receive karet for eating it while ritually impure.
וְשֶׁאֵינוֹ נִיתָּר לִטְהוֹרִין, אֵין חַיָּיבִין עָלָיו מִשּׁוּם טוּמְאָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The baraita continues: Or perhaps, is the verse teaching only that if one who is impure partakes of that which is eaten by those who are ritually pure, he is liable for eating it due to violation of the prohibition against partaking of the meat while ritually impure; but in a case where he partakes of that which is not eaten by those who are ritually pure, he is not liable for eating it due to violation of the prohibition against partaking of the meat while ritually impure despite the fact that its blood has already been sprinkled? I would then exclude sacrificial meat that was left overnight and meat that leaves the Temple courtyard, which are not permitted to be eaten by those who are ritually pure, and I would derive that one who is impure who partakes of them is not liable for eating them.
אוֹ אֵינוֹ אֶלָּא: נֶאֱכָל לִטְהוֹרִין – חַיָּיבִין עָלָיו מִשּׁוּם טוּמְאָה, וְשֶׁאֵינוֹ נֶאֱכָל לִטְהוֹרִין – אֵין חַיָּיבִין עָלָיו מִשּׁוּם טוּמְאָה, אוֹצִיא אֲנִי אֶת הַלָּן וְאֶת הַיּוֹצֵא, שֶׁאֵינָן נֶאֱכָלִין לִטְהוֹרִים.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Therefore, the verse states: “That belong to the Lord,” which teaches that the verse included leftover meat and meat that leaves the Temple courtyard in the prohibition, and one who partakes of them while impure is liable for partaking of them.
תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״אֲשֶׁר לַה׳״ – רִיבָּה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : One might have thought that I include in the prohibition the meat that was rendered piggul through one’s intention of consuming it after its designated time and the meat that was rendered notar.
יָכוֹל שֶׁאֲנִי מְרַבֶּה אֶת הַפִּיגּוּלִין וְאֶת הַנּוֹתָרוֹת?
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The baraita interjects: Isn’t notar identical to meat that was left overnight, and it has already been established that one is liable for partaking of leftover meat while in an impure state? Rather, what is meant is as follows: One might have thought to include in the prohibition even the meats that were rendered piggul, just as notar is included. Therefore, the verse states: “Of the meat of the sacrifice of peace offerings,” and the term “of the meat” excluded one who is impure who partakes of piggul.
נוֹתָרוֹת הַיְינוּ לָן, אֶלָּא אַף הַפִּיגּוּלִין כַּנּוֹתָרוֹת? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״מִזֶּבַח הַשְּׁלָמִים״ – מִיעֵט.
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