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106a

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Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : and wafers together; and according to this suggestion, he removes a handful from the loaves for the wafers and a handful from the wafers for the loaves.
וּמֵרְקִיקִין, וְקָא קָמֵיץ מֵחַלּוֹת אַרְקִיקִין וּמֵרְקִיקִין אַחַלּוֹת.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara answers: We have heard that Rabbi Shimon said: If one brought a meal offering that is part loaves and part wafers, and the priest removed a handful, and that which came up in his hand was only from one of the two types, either only loaves or only wafers, he has fulfilled his obligation of removing a handful.
שָׁמְעִינַן לֵיהּ לְרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן, דְּאָמַר: אִם קָמַץ וְעָלָה בְּיָדוֹ מֵאֶחָד עַל שְׁנֵיהֶם – יָצָא.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: But isn’t there a problem with the surplus oil? The Gemara (75a) states that if a meal offering is brought half as loaves and half as wafers, the oil is divided equally between them; half is mixed with the loaves and half is applied to the wafers. The surplus oil from the wafers may also be mixed in with the loaves. But if the meal offering is baked entirely as wafers, the oil that remains is given to the priests. Therefore, Abaye’s explanation of the mishna is problematic, because if the person said in his vow that he would bring half loaves and half wafers, one brings back the surplus oil and mixes it in with the loaves. But if he said that the entire offering shall be wafers, the surplus oil should be eaten by the priests.
וְהָא אִיכָּא מוֹתַר שֶׁמֶן, דְּאִי מֶחֱצָה חַלּוֹת וּמֶחֱצָה רְקִיקִין אָמַר – מוֹתַר הַשֶּׁמֶן מַחְזִירוֹ לַחַלּוֹת, אִי כּוּלְּהוּ רְקִיקִין אָמַר – מוֹתַר הַשֶּׁמֶן נֶאֱכָל לַכֹּהֲנִים.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara resolves this problem in accordance with the statement of Rabbi Shimon ben Yehuda. As it is taught in a baraita that Rabbi Shimon ben Yehuda says in the name of Rabbi Shimon that the oil of a meal offering baked half as loaves and half as wafers is applied as follows: One anoints the wafers in the shape of the Greek letter chi, Χ, and the surplus oil is eaten by the priests. Consequently, the surplus oil of a meal offering baked half as loaves and half as wafers is used the same way as that of a meal offering baked entirely as wafers.
כְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יְהוּדָה, דְּתַנְיָא: רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר מִשּׁוּם רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן: מוֹשְׁחָן כְּמִין כִּי, וּמוֹתַר הַשֶּׁמֶן נֶאֱכָל לַכֹּהֲנִים.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : § Rav Kahana said to Rav Ashi: If one specifies in his vow which meal offering he will bring, and subsequently forgets, why does he bring only five types of meal offerings? Isn’t there room to be uncertain with regard to another type of meal offering, namely, the meal offering brought with the libations that accompany various burnt offerings? This meal offering can also be brought independently as a gift, as Rava said: A person may volunteer a meal offering brought with the libations every day, if he so wishes.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב כָּהֲנָא לְרַב אָשֵׁי: וְהָא אִיכָּא לְסַפּוֹקַהּ בְּמִנְחַת נְסָכִים, דְּאָמַר רָבָא: מִתְנַדֵּב אָדָם מִנְחַת נְסָכִים בְּכׇל יוֹם.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara answers that there is no uncertainty with regard to the possibility that he said that he would bring a meal offering brought with the libations, because it is completely different than the other types of meal offerings. When one is uncertain as to which meal offering he vowed to bring, the uncertainty is only with regard to certain meal offerings. The Gemara presents a mnemonic for these differences: Individual, due to, frankincense, with a log, removes a handful of it.
כִּי קָא מִסְתַּפְּקָא לֵיהּ (סִימָן: ״יָחִיד״, ״בִּגְלַל״, ״לְבוֹנָה״, ״בְּלוֹג״, ״מְקַמְּצָה״) –
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara elaborates: The uncertainty with regard to which meal offering one vowed to bring is with regard to a meal offering that is brought exclusively due to the obligation of an individual. But one is not uncertain with regard to a meal offering that is brought due to the obligation of the public, e.g., a meal offering brought with libations, which accompany communal offerings as well as individual ones; he certainly did not vow to bring this type of meal offering.
בָּאָה בִּגְלַל יָחִיד, בָּאָה בִּגְלַל צִיבּוּר – לָא מִסְתַּפְּקָא לֵיהּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Furthermore, when one is uncertain it is with regard to a meal offering that is brought due to its own obligation. But one is not uncertain with regard to a meal offering brought with libations due to the requirements of an offering.
כִּי קָא מִסְתַּפְּקָא לֵיהּ – בָּאָה בִּגְלַל עַצְמָהּ, בָּאָה בִּגְלַל זֶבַח – לָא מִסְתַּפְּקָא לֵיהּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : When one is uncertain it is with regard to a meal offering that requires that frankincense be brought with it. But one is not uncertain with regard to a meal offering brought with libations, which does not require frankincense.
כִּי קָא מִסְתַּפְּקָא לֵיהּ – טְעוּנָה לְבוֹנָה, שֶׁאֵינָהּ טְעוּנָה לְבוֹנָה – לָא מִסְתַּפְּקָא לֵיהּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : When one is uncertain, it is with regard to a type of meal offering that is brought with one log of oil. But one is not uncertain if it is brought with three log of oil or more, which is the halakha with regard to meal offerings brought with libations (see Numbers 15:5–6, 9).
כִּי קָא מִסְתַּפְּקָא לֵיהּ – בָּאָה בְּלוֹג, בָּאָה בִּשְׁלֹשָׁה לוּגִּין – לָא מִסְתַּפְּקָא לֵיהּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : When one is uncertain it is only with regard to a meal offering that requires removal of a handful. But one is not uncertain with regard to a meal offering that does not require removal of a handful, which is the halakha with regard to a meal offering brought with libations.
כִּי קָא מִסְתַּפְּקָא לֵיהּ – טְעוּנָה קְמִיצָה, שֶׁאֵינָהּ טְעוּנָה קְמִיצָה – לָא קָא מִסְתַּפְּקָא לֵיהּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : § The mishna teaches: If one says: I specified a meal offering of tenths of an ephah but I do not remember how many I specified, according to the Rabbis he must bring a meal offering of sixty-tenths of an ephah. According to Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi he must bring sixty meal offerings, each with a different number of tenths, from one to sixty.
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