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Traité Bava Metzia

49a

Étude de Bava Metzia 49a

Étude de la Guémara 49a

Guémara
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : If that half is canceled as well, then why does he need the collateral that he is holding? The lender clearly took the collateral to enable him to collect at least part of his debt after the Sabbatical Year. Rather, do we not conclude from it: What is the meaning of the statement: The Sabbatical Year does not abrogate the loan, that Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel is saying? It means that the Sabbatical Year does not abrogate the entire loan. And what is the meaning of: The Sabbatical Year abrogates the loan, that Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi is saying? It is referring to that half of the loan that he did not take on the basis of collateral.
אֶלָּא מַשְׁכּוֹן דְּנָקֵיט לְמָה לֵיהּ? אֶלָּא לָאו, שְׁמַע מִינֵּיהּ: מַאי ״אֵינוֹ מְשַׁמֵּט״ דְּקָאָמַר רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל – אֵינוֹ מְשַׁמֵּט בְּכוּלּוֹ, וּמַאי ״מְשַׁמֵּט״ דְּקָאָמַר רַבִּי יְהוּדָה הַנָּשִׂיא – לְהָךְ פַּלְגָא דְּלָא נָקֵיט עֲלֵיהּ מַשְׁכּוֹן.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : And they disagree with regard to this: As Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that a down payment effects acquisition of merchandise commensurate with the entire amount of the transaction, and Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi holds that a down payment effects acquisition of merchandise commensurate with its value. Apparently, the amoraic dispute parallels the tannaitic dispute.
וּבְהָא קָמִיפַּלְגִי, דְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל סָבַר: כְּנֶגֶד כּוּלּוֹ הוּא קוֹנֶה, וְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה הַנָּשִׂיא סָבַר: כְּנֶגְדּוֹ הוּא קוֹנֶה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara rejects that parallel: No, what is the meaning of the statement: The Sabbatical Year does not abrogate the loan, that Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel is saying? It is referring to that half of the loan that he took on the basis of collateral. This indicates by inference that Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi holds: The Sabbatical Year also abrogates that half of the loan that he took on the basis of collateral. The Gemara asks: Then why does he need the collateral that he is holding? The Gemara answers: He requires it as a mere reminder to increase the likelihood that the loan will be repaid, and it does not prevent cancellation of a loan.
לָא, מַאי ״אֵינוֹ מְשַׁמֵּט״ דְּקָאָמַר רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל – לְהָךְ פַּלְגָא דְּנָקֵיט עֲלֵיהּ מַשְׁכּוֹן, מִכְּלָל דְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה הַנָּשִׂיא סָבַר: לְהָךְ פַּלְגָא דְּנָקֵיט עֲלֵיהּ מַשְׁכּוֹן נָמֵי מְשַׁמֵּט. אֶלָּא מַשְׁכּוֹן דְּנָקֵיט, לְמָה לֵיהּ? לְזִכְרוֹן דְּבָרִים בְּעָלְמָא.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : § The Gemara relates: Buyers gave money to Rav Kahana to purchase linen. Ultimately, the price of linen increased. Rav Kahana came before Rav to ask his opinion. Rav said to him: Give them a quantity of linen equivalent in value to the money that you received, and concerning the rest, your verbal commitment is merely a statement, and reneging on a verbal commitment that was unaccompanied by an act of acquisition does not constitute an act of bad faith.
רַב כָּהֲנָא יְהַבוּ לֵיהּ זוּזֵי אַכִּיתָּנָא, לְסוֹף אִיַּיקַּר כִּיתָּנָא. אֲתָא לְקַמֵּיהּ דְּרַב. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: בְּמַאי דִּנְקִיטַתְּ זוּזֵי – הַב לְהוּ, וְאִידַּךְ – דְּבָרִים נִינְהוּ, וּדְבָרִים אֵין בָּהֶן מִשּׁוּם מְחוּסְּרֵי אֲמָנָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara comments: This is as it was stated: There is an amoraic dispute with regard to reneging on a verbal commitment that was unaccompanied by an act of acquisition. Rav says: It does not constitute an act of bad faith. And Rabbi Yoḥanan says: It constitutes an act of bad faith.
דְּאִיתְּמַר: דְּבָרִים, רַב אָמַר: אֵין בָּהֶן מִשּׁוּם מְחוּסְּרֵי אֲמָנָה, וְרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן אָמַר: יֵשׁ בָּהֶם מִשּׁוּם מְחוּסְּרֵי אֲמָנָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara raises an objection: Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, says: What is the meaning when the verse states: “A just ephah, and a just hin, shall you have” (Leviticus 19:36)? But wasn’t a hin included in an ephah? Why is it necessary to state both? Rather, this is an allusion that serves to say to you that your yes [hen] should be just, and your no should be just. Apparently, it is a mitzva for one to fulfill his promises. Abaye says: That verse means that one should not say one matter with his mouth and think one other matter in his heart. It is prohibited for one to make a commitment that he has no intention of fulfilling. Rav Kahana made his commitment in good faith and reneged due to changed circumstances. That is not prohibited.
מֵיתִיבִי, רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: מָה תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״הִין צֶדֶק״, וַהֲלֹא ״הִין״ בִּכְלַל אֵיפָה הָיָה? אֶלָּא לוֹמַר לָךְ: שֶׁיְּהֵא הֵן שֶׁלְּךָ צֶדֶק, וְלָאו שֶׁלְּךָ צֶדֶק. אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: הָהוּא שֶׁלֹּא יְדַבֵּר אֶחָד בַּפֶּה וְאֶחָד בַּלֵּב.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara raises an objection. Rabbi Shimon says: Even though the Sages said that when one party takes possession of a garment, the other party acquires a gold dinar, but when one party takes possession of a gold dinar, the other party does not acquire a garment, in any case, that is what the halakha would be. But the Sages said with regard to one who reneges on a transaction where one party pulled the gold dinar into his possession: He Who exacted payment from the people of the generation of the flood, and from the people of the generation of the dispersion, and from the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah, and from the Egyptians in the Red Sea, will in the future exact payment from whoever does not stand by his statement. And one who negotiates, where the negotiation culminates with a statement in which he commits himself to acquire the item, did not acquire the item without a formal act of acquisition. But with regard to one who reneges on his commitment, the Sages are displeased with him. Apparently, one who reneges is considered to have acted in bad faith.
מֵיתִיבִי, רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן אוֹמֵר: אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאָמְרוּ טַלִּית קוֹנָה דִּינַר זָהָב, וְאֵין דִּינַר זָהָב קוֹנֶה טַלִּית, מִכׇּל מָקוֹם כָּךְ הֲלָכָה. אֲבָל אָמְרוּ: מִי שֶׁפָּרַע מֵאַנְשֵׁי דּוֹר הַמַּבּוּל וּמֵאַנְשֵׁי דּוֹר הַפְּלַגָּה הוּא עָתִיד לִיפָּרַע מִמִּי שֶׁאֵינוֹ עוֹמֵד בְּדִיבּוּרוֹ!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara explains: This matter is a dispute between tanna’im, as we learned in a mishna (Bava Metzia 83a): There was an incident involving Rabbi Yoḥanan ben Matya, who said to his son: Go out and hire laborers for us. His son went and allocated sustenance for them, as part of their employment terms, without specifying the type of sustenance. And when he came to his father, his father said to him: My son, even if you prepare for them a meal like the feast of Solomon during his era, you will not fulfill your obligation to them, as they are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and due to that status they are deserving of any meal that they want. Rather, this is what you should do: Before they begin engaging in their labor, go out and say to them: Your employment is on the condition that you have the right to claim from me only the customary meal of bread and legumes.
תַּנָּאֵי הִיא. דִּתְנַן: מַעֲשֶׂה בְּרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן בֶּן מַתְיָא שֶׁאָמַר לִבְנוֹ: צֵא וּשְׂכוֹר לָנוּ פּוֹעֲלִים. הָלַךְ וּפָסַק לָהֶם מְזוֹנוֹת. וּכְשֶׁבָּא אֵצֶל אָבִיו, אָמַר לוֹ: בְּנִי, אֲפִילּוּ אַתָּה עוֹשֶׂה לָהֶם כִּסְעוּדַת שְׁלֹמֹה בִּשְׁעָתוֹ לֹא יָצָאתָ יְדֵי חוֹבָתְךָ עִמָּהֶם, שֶׁהֵן בְּנֵי אַבְרָהָם יִצְחָק וְיַעֲקֹב. אֶלָּא עַד שֶׁלֹּא יַתְחִילוּ בִּמְלָאכָה, צֵא וֶאֱמוֹר לָהֶם: עַל מְנָת שֶׁאֵין לָכֶם עָלַי אֶלָּא פַּת וְקִטְנִית בִּלְבַד.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And if it enters your mind that reneging on a verbal commitment unaccompanied by an act of acquisition constitutes an act of bad faith, how did Rabbi Yoḥanan ben Matya tell his son to renege? The Gemara answers: This is not difficult; it is different there in that case, as the laborers themselves do not rely on the son. What is the reason they do not rely on the son? It is due to the fact that they know that he relied on his father giving his approval when committing to feed them.
וְאִי סָלְקָא דַעְתָּךְ דְּבָרִים יֵשׁ בָּהֶן מִשּׁוּם מְחוּסְּרֵי אֲמָנָה, הֵיכִי אֲמַר לֵיהּ זִיל הֲדַר בָּךְ? שָׁאנֵי הָתָם, דְּפוֹעֲלִים גּוּפַיְיהוּ לָא סָמְכָא דַּעְתַּיְיהוּ. מַאי טַעְמָא – מִידָּע יָדְעִי דְּעַל אֲבוּהּ סָמֵךְ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: If so, then even if the laborers began engaging in their labor, they still would not rely on the son. Why then did his father instruct him specifically to tell them of the change before they began their labor? The Gemara answers: Once they began engaging in their labor they would certainly rely on the son’s commitment, as they would say: He must have come before his father and stated the conditions of their employment, and his father is amenable to those terms. Therefore, it was necessary to inform them before they began working.
אִי הָכִי, אֲפִילּוּ הִתְחִילוּ בִּמְלָאכָה נָמֵי? הִתְחִילוּ בִּמְלָאכָה, וַדַּאי סָמְכִי דַּעְתַּיְיהוּ, אֲמַרוּ: מֵימָר אָמַר קַמֵּיהּ דַּאֲבוּהּ וְנִיחָא לֵיהּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And did Rabbi Yoḥanan say this, i.e., that one who reneges on a verbal commitment acted in bad faith? But didn’t Rabba bar bar Ḥana say that Rabbi Yoḥanan says: One who says to another: I am giving you a gift, is able to renege on his commitment? The Gemara asks: He is able to renege? It is obvious that he is able to renege, as in the absence of an act of acquisition no one can compel him to give the gift. Rather, it means: It is permitted for him to renege on his commitment. Apparently, one who reneges on a verbal guarantee is not considered to have acted in bad faith. Rav Pappa said: And Rabbi Yoḥanan concedes that in the case of a small gift one may not renege, as the recipients rely on him to fulfill his verbal commitment. By contrast, in the case of a large gift the recipients are aware that one might reconsider, and therefore they do not rely on his statement and do not assume that his decision is final.
וּמִי אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן הָכִי? וְהָאָמַר רַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: הָאוֹמֵר לַחֲבֵירוֹ מַתָּנָה אֲנִי נוֹתֵן לָךְ – יָכוֹל לַחֲזוֹר בּוֹ. יָכוֹל, פְּשִׁיטָא! אֶלָּא: מוּתָּר לַחֲזוֹר בּוֹ. אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: וּמוֹדֶה רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן בְּמַתָּנָה מוּעֶטֶת, דְּסָמְכָא דַּעְתַּיְיהוּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara comments: So too, it is reasonable to say that this is the opinion of Rabbi Yoḥanan, as Rabbi Abbahu says that Rabbi Yoḥanan says: With regard to an Israelite who said to a Levite: You have a kor of first-tithe produce that is in my possession and that I separated from my produce, the Levite may render all or part of this kor teruma of the tithe for first-tithe produce that he has in another place. Granted, if you say that one is unable, i.e., it is not permitted for him, to renege, it is due to that reason that the Levite may render it teruma of the tithe for other produce. But if you say that one is able, i.e., it is permitted for him, to renege, why may he render it teruma of the tithe for other produce? The owner of the produce could renege, and in that case it will eventuate that he is consuming untithed produce, as the teruma of the tithe that he separated did not belong to him.
הָכִי נָמֵי מִסְתַּבְּרָא, דְּאָמַר רַבִּי אֲבָהוּ אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: יִשְׂרָאֵל שֶׁאָמַר לְבֶן לֵוִי: כּוֹר מַעֲשֵׂר יֵשׁ לְךָ בְּיָדִי. בֶּן לֵוִי רַשַּׁאי לַעֲשׂוֹתוֹ תְּרוּמַת מַעֲשֵׂר עַל מָקוֹם אַחֵר. אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא לָא מָצֵי לְמִיהְדַּר בֵּיהּ – מִשּׁוּם הָכִי רַשַּׁאי. אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ מָצֵי לְמִיהְדַּר בֵּיהּ, אַמַּאי רַשַּׁאי? אִישְׁתְּכַח דְּקָא אָכֵיל טְבָלִים!
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