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Traité Bava Kamma

74a

Étude de Bava Kamma 74a

Étude de la Guémara 74a

Guémara
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : From the fact that the latter clause of the baraita states a ruling with regard to a case in which the second set of witnesses both reverses the order of events and renders the first pair as conspiring witnesses, it may be inferred that the first case as well, in parallel fashion, states a ruling with regard to a case in which the second set of witnesses both reverses the order of events and renders the first pair as conspiring witnesses.
מִדְּסֵיפָא בְּמֵיפַךְ וַהֲזַמָּה, רֵישָׁא נָמֵי בְּמֵיפַךְ וַהֲזַמָּה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : This is as it teaches in the latter clause of the baraita, that if witnesses say: We testify with regard to so-and-so that he knocked out his Canaanite slave’s tooth and afterward blinded his eye, which requires the master to emancipate him and compensate him for the value of his eye, as that is what the slave says, i.e., this testimony is advantageous to the slave, and subsequently they were found to be conspiring witnesses, they pay the value of an eye to the master.
דְּקָתָנֵי סֵיפָא: ״מֵעִידַנוּ אֶת אִישׁ פְּלוֹנִי שֶׁהִפִּיל אֶת שֵׁן עַבְדּוֹ, וְסִימֵּא אֶת עֵינוֹ״ – שֶׁהֲרֵי הָעֶבֶד אוֹמֵר כֵּן; וְנִמְצְאוּ זוֹמְמִין – מְשַׁלְּמִין דְּמֵי עַיִן לָרַב.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Abaye analyzes this clause of the baraita: What are the circumstances of this case? If it is speaking of a situation where the latter set of witnesses, who attested that the first set of witnesses were conspiring witnesses, do not concede that there was any injury at all inflicted on the slave by his master, then there is no testimony to confirm that those injuries were inflicted other than that given by the witnesses who were shown to be conspiring witnesses. Consequently, they should be required to pay the entire value of the slave to the master, as this is the amount of monetary damage the master stood to incur as a result of their false testimony.
הֵיכִי דָמֵי? אִי דְּלָא קָא מוֹדוּ לְהוּ בָּתְרָאֵי בְּחַבְלָא כְּלָל, דְּמֵי כּוּלֵּיהּ עֶבֶד לְרַב בָּעֵי שַׁלּוֹמֵי לֵיהּ!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rather, it is obvious that all of them, i.e., both the first set of witnesses and the latter set, concede with regard to the injury inflicted on the slave by the master. They both agree that the master both blinded the slave’s eye and knocked out his tooth and therefore is obligated to emancipate him. They disagree concerning only the order of events. The first set of witnesses said that the tooth injury occurred first and the eye injury occurred afterward. Consequently, they sought to require the master to emancipate the slave and compensate him for the eye injury.
אֶלָּא פְּשִׁיטָא – דְּקָא מוֹדוּ כּוּלְּהוּ בְּחַבְלָא,
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : And the second set of witnesses reversed the order of events in their testimony, saying that the eye injury took place first, and in the same testimony, they rendered the first pair conspiring witnesses, by testifying that they were not present when the events occurred. Since the latter clause of the baraita must be interpreted in this manner, it stands to reason that the first case should be explained similarly.
(וּדְקָא אָפְכִינַן) [וּדְאַפְכִינְהוּ] וְאַזְּמִינְהוּ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara analyzes Abaye’s interpretation of the baraita: And what are the circumstances of the case? The second set of witnesses, who are deemed credible, have established that the injuries did not take place on the date reported by the first set of witnesses. According to their testimony, when did the injuries take place? If the latter witnesses postdated the events, by testifying that the injuries were actually inflicted at a later stage than that mentioned by the first set of witnesses, the first set of witnesses should still be required to pay the full value of a slave to the master.
וְהֵיכִי דָמֵי? אִי דְּקָא מְאַחֲרִי אַחוֹרֵי הָנֵי בָּתְרָאֵי – אַכַּתִּי דְּמֵי עֶבֶד לְרַב בָּעֵי שַׁלּוֹמֵי;
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The reason the first set of witnesses should be liable is that when they sought to impose liability upon the man, i.e., the master, this man was not yet burdened with any liability. When the first set of witnesses testified about the injuries, the master was not yet obligated to emancipate his slave or pay damages. Therefore, these conspiring witnesses should be required to pay these sums, which they had sought to impose on the master. Rather, it must be that the latter set of witnesses predated the time of the injuries, by testifying that they were inflicted at an earlier date than that attested to by the first set of witnesses.
דְּכִי מְחַיְּיבִי לֵיהּ לְגַבְרָא – אַכַּתִּי גַּבְרָא לָאו בַּר חִיּוּבָא הוּא! אֶלָּא דְּקָא מְקַדְּמִי קַדּוֹמֵי הָנֵי בָּתְרָאֵי.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara continues to analyze the case: And if the baraita is referring to a case where the master had not yet stood trial for having injured his slave when the first set of witnesses submitted their testimony, those witnesses should still be required to pay the entire value of the slave to the master, as at the time of their testimony the man, i.e., the master, was not yet liable. The first set of witnesses sought to render the master liable at a time when he was exempt from liability, and therefore they should be obligated to pay him the full value of the slave.
וְאִי דְּלָא עָמַד בַּדִּין – אַכַּתִּי דְּמֵי כּוּלֵּיהּ עֶבֶד לְרַב בָּעֵי שַׁלּוֹמֵי לֵיהּ, דְּאַכַּתִּי גַּבְרָא לָא מִיחַיַּיב!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rather, it must be that the master had already stood trial for having inflicted these injuries, and had been sentenced by the court to emancipate the slave for the first injury and pay him for the second injury. Then, the master evaded payment, and was subsequently brought before another court, where witnesses testified that the first court had established liability for knocking out the tooth first and then blinding the slave’s eye. This testimony was subsequently rendered conspiring testimony by a second set of witnesses, who testified both that the first set of witnesses was not at the scene of the first trial and that the results of the trial were actually reversed, i.e., the master’s liability was for blinding the eye first and then for knocking out the tooth. Since the first set of witnesses, who were rendered conspiring witnesses, sought to increase the master’s liability payment from that of the value of a tooth to that of an eye, they must pay the value of an eye to the master.
אֶלָּא דְּעָמַד בַּדִּין.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rava sought to infer from this baraita to his opinion that contradiction of testimony is the start of determining that testimony is conspiring testimony. Rav Aḥa, son of Rav Ika, said to Rav Ashi: From which case in the baraita is the inference of Rava? If we say that his inference is from the first clause, this is difficult. In the case of the first clause, if it involves three sets of witnesses, as claimed by Rava, is the intermediate set of witnesses contradicted and rejected before they are established as conspiring witnesses? The first set of witnesses testified that the eye injury took place after the tooth injury, whereas the intermediate set of witnesses reversed the order. If so, the intermediate set of witnesses sought to lower the master’s payment from the value of an eye to that of a tooth.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב אַחָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב אִיקָא לְרַב אָשֵׁי: דּוּקְיָא דְרָבָא מֵהֵיכָא? אִילֵּימָא מֵרֵישָׁא, רֵישָׁא מִי קָא מִתַּכְחֲשִׁי מְצִיעָאֵי?
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rav Aḥa continues: Since if the second set of witnesses would not have been rendered conspiring witnesses, the testimony would have been established in accordance with their statement, as the judgment would have been decided in accordance with their testimony. The reason their testimony would have determined the ruling is that one hundred dinars is subsumed within two hundred, i.e., testimony concerning a large sum includes testimony concerning a smaller sum.
כֵּיוָן דְּאִי לָא מִתַּזְּמִי – סָהֲדוּתָא כְּווֹתַיְיהוּ קָא קָיְימָא, דְּדִינָא כְּווֹתַיְיהוּ פָּסְקִינַן, דְּיֵשׁ בִּכְלַל מָאתַיִם מָנֶה;
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rav Aḥa continues: Therefore, it is the first set of witnesses, who testified that the eye injury occurred last, whose testimony would be considered contradicted and rejected, whereas the testimony of the intermediate set of witnesses would not be considered contradicted at all, as it is accepted in full. If so, this is not a case of witnesses who were rejected due to contradiction and then subsequently rendered conspiring witnesses.
הִלְכָּךְ קַמָּאֵי הוּא דְּקָא מִתַּכְחֲשִׁי, מְצִיעָאֵי לָא מִתַּכְחֲשִׁי מִידֵּי!
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