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43b

Étude de Avodah Zarah 43b

Étude de la Mishna & Guémara 43b

Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : This does not include the sun and the moon, as the Torah prohibits the fashioning only of a figure of all four faces of the creatures of the Divine Chariot together (see Ezekiel 1:10). All other figures, which are not in the likeness of the ministering angels, are permitted.
לֹא אָסְרָה תּוֹרָה אֶלָּא בִּדְמוּת אַרְבָּעָה פָּנִים בַּהֲדֵי הֲדָדֵי.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara raises a difficulty: If that is so, let the fashioning of a figure of a human face alone be permitted. Why then is it taught in a baraita: Figures of all faces are permitted, except for the human face?
אֶלָּא מֵעַתָּה, פַּרְצוּף אָדָם לְחוֹדֵיהּ תִּשְׁתְּרֵי! אַלְּמָה תַּנְיָא: כׇּל הַפַּרְצוּפוֹת מוּתָּרִין, חוּץ מִפַּרְצוּף אָדָם?
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Rav Yehuda, son of Rav Yehoshua, said: I heard in a lecture of Rabbi Yehoshua that there is a different reason why one may not fashion a figure of a human face; the verse states: “You shall not make with Me [iti]” (Exodus 20:20). This can be read as: You shall not make Me [oti]. Since the human being was created in the image of God (see Genesis 1:27), it is prohibited to fashion an image of a human being. But fashioning figures of other attendants of God is permitted.
אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ: מִפִּרְקֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ שְׁמִיעַ לִי, ״לֹא תַעֲשׂוּן אִתִּי״ — לֹא תַעֲשׂוּן אוֹתִי, אֲבָל שְׁאָר שַׁמָּשִׁין שְׁרֵי.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And is it permitted to fashion figures of other attendants of God? But isn’t it taught in another baraita that the verse: “You shall not make with Me gods of silver” (Exodus 20:20), is interpreted to mean that you shall not make figures of My attendants who serve before Me on high, for example, ofanim, and seraphim, and the sacred ḥayyot, and the ministering angels?
וּשְׁאָר שַׁמָּשִׁין מִי שְׁרֵי? וְהָתַנְיָא: ״לֹא תַעֲשׂוּן אִתִּי״ — לֹא תַעֲשׂוּן כִּדְמוּת שַׁמָּשַׁי הַמְשַׁמְּשִׁין לְפָנַי בְּמָרוֹם, כְּגוֹן אוֹפַנִּים וּשְׂרָפִים וְחַיּוֹת הַקֹּדֶשׁ וּמַלְאֲכֵי הַשָּׁרֵת!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : Abaye said: The Torah prohibits fashioning figures of only those attendants that are in the upper heaven, i.e., the supreme angels in the highest firmament, but it does not prohibit fashioning the celestial bodies, e.g., the sun and the moon, despite the fact that they too are located in heaven.
אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: לֹא אָסְרָה תּוֹרָה אֶלָּא שַׁמָּשִׁין שֶׁבַּמָּדוֹר הָעֶלְיוֹן.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And is it permitted to fashion figures of those bodies that are in the lower heaven? But isn’t it taught in a baraita with regard to the verse: “You shall not make for yourself any graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth” (Exodus 20:4): The phrase “that is in heaven” serves to include the sun, and the moon, the stars, and the constellations. The term “above” serves to include the ministering angels. Apparently, it is prohibited to fashion a figure even of the celestial bodies that are in the lower heaven.
וְשֶׁבְּמָדוֹר הַתַּחְתּוֹן מִי שְׁרֵי? וְהָתַנְיָא: ״אֲשֶׁר בַּשָּׁמַיִם״ — לְרַבּוֹת חַמָּה וּלְבָנָה כּוֹכָבִים וּמַזָּלוֹת, ״מִמַּעַל״ — לְרַבּוֹת מַלְאֲכֵי הַשָּׁרֵת!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara answers: When that baraita is taught, it is in reference to the prohibition against worshipping them. There is no prohibition against forming a figure in their likeness.
כִּי תַּנְיָא הָהִיא, לְעוֹבְדָם.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: If that baraita is referring to the prohibition against worshipping them, then why does it mention only celestial bodies? It is prohibited to worship even a tiny worm. The Gemara answers: Yes, it is indeed so; and this prohibition is derived from the latter clause of that verse, as it is taught in a baraita: “That is in the earth” serves to include seas, and rivers, mountains, and hills. The word “beneath” serves to include a tiny worm.
אִי לְעוֹבְדָם, אֲפִילּוּ שִׁילְשׁוּל קָטָן נָמֵי! אִין הָכִי נָמֵי, וּמִסֵּיפֵיהּ דִּקְרָא נָפְקָא, דְּתַנְיָא: ״אֲשֶׁר בָּאָרֶץ״ — לְרַבּוֹת יַמִּים וּנְהָרוֹת הָרִים וּגְבָעוֹת, ״מִתַּחַת״ — לְרַבּוֹת שִׁילְשׁוּל קָטָן.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And is the mere fashioning of figures of the celestial bodies permitted? But isn’t it taught in another baraita that the verse: “You shall not make with Me gods of silver” (Exodus 20:20), is interpreted to mean that you shall not make figures of My attendants who serve before Me on high, for example: The sun, and the moon, the stars, and the constellations. This is proof that it is prohibited to fashion figures of the sun and the moon. Consequently, the solution proposed by Abaye is rejected, leaving the difficulty of Rabban Gamliel’s diagram unresolved.
וַעֲשִׂיָּיה גְּרֵידְתָּא מִי שְׁרֵי? וְהָתַנְיָא: ״לֹא תַעֲשׂוּן אִתִּי״ — לֹא תַעֲשׂוּן כִּדְמוּת שַׁמָּשַׁי הַמְשַׁמְּשִׁין לְפָנַי בַּמָּרוֹם, כְּגוֹן: חַמָּה וּלְבָנָה, כּוֹכָבִים וּמַזָּלוֹת.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara proposes an alternative resolution: The case of Rabban Gamliel is different, as others, i.e., gentiles, fashioned those figures for him, and it is prohibited for a Jew only to fashion such figures; there is no prohibition against having them in one’s possession.
שָׁאנֵי רַבָּן גַּמְלִיאֵל, דַּאֲחֵרִים עָשׂוּ לוֹ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: But there is the case of Rav Yehuda, where others fashioned for him a seal with a figure of a person on it, and Shmuel said to Rav Yehuda, who was his student: Sharp-witted one [shinnana], destroy this one’s eyes, i.e., disfigure it, as it is prohibited even to have a figure of a human being in one’s possession.
וְהָא רַב יְהוּדָה, דַּאֲחֵרִים עָשׂוּ לוֹ, וַאֲמַר לֵיהּ שְׁמוּאֵל לְרַב יְהוּדָה: שִׁינָּנָא, סַמִּי עֵינֵיהּ דְּדֵין!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara answers: There, in the case of Rav Yehuda, his was a protruding seal, i.e., the figure projected from the ring, and Shmuel prohibited it due to the potential suspicion that he had an object of idol worship in his possession. As it is taught in a baraita: In the case of a ring whose seal protrudes, it is prohibited to place it on one’s finger due to suspicion of idol worship, but it is permitted to seal objects with it. In this case, the act of sealing forms a figure that is sunken below the surface of the object upon which the seal was impressed, which is not prohibited. If its seal is sunken, it is permitted to place it on one’s finger, but it is prohibited to seal objects with it, as that forms a protruding figure.
הָתָם בְּחוֹתָמוֹ בּוֹלֵט, וּמִשּׁוּם חֲשָׁדָא, דְּתַנְיָא: טַבַּעַת שֶׁחוֹתָמָהּ בּוֹלֵט — אָסוּר לְהַנִּיחָהּ, וּמוּתָּר לַחְתּוֹם בָּהּ. חוֹתָמָהּ שׁוֹקֵעַ — מוּתָּר לְהַנִּיחָהּ, וְאָסוּר לַחְתּוֹם בָּהּ.
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