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Traité Avodah Zarah

36b

Étude de Avodah Zarah 36b

Étude de la Guémara 36b

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Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : It is the verse: “You are cursed with the curse, yet you rob Me, even this whole nation” (Malachi 3:9). This teaches that if there is the acceptance of the whole nation, yes, an ordinance may be instituted, but if not, no, the ordinance may not be instituted.
״בַּמְּאֵרָה אַתֶּם נֵאָרִים וְאֹתִי אַתֶּם קֹבְעִים הַגּוֹי כֻּלּוֹ״, אִי אִיכָּא גּוֹי כּוּלּוֹ — אִין, אִי לָא — לָא.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : § The Gemara discusses the matter itself: Balei says that Avimi of Nota says in the name of Rav: The prohibitions with regard to gentiles’ bread and their oil, their wine and their daughters, are all from the eighteen matters issued in a single day in the time of the students of Shammai and Hillel. The Gemara asks: With regard to their daughters, what is the decree? Rabbi Naḥman bar Yitzḥak says: They decreed upon their daughters that they should be classified as menstruating women from the time they are in their cradle, i.e., they decreed that from when they are young, gentile women are always considered to be menstruating.
גּוּפָא, אָמַר בָּאלִי אָמַר אֲבִימִי נִוְתָאָה מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרַב: פִּיתָּן וְשַׁמְנָן, יֵינָן וּבְנוֹתֵיהֶן — כּוּלָּן מִשְּׁמוֹנָה עָשָׂר דָּבָר הֵן. בְּנוֹתֵיהֶן מַאי הִיא? אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן בַּר יִצְחָק: גָּזְרוּ עַל בְּנוֹתֵיהֶן נִידּוֹת מֵעֲרִיסוֹתָן.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara presents another opinion. And Geneiva says in the name of Rav: Gentiles’ bread, oil, wine, and daughters were all decreed upon due to the concern that Jews might participate in idol worship with gentiles as a result of intermingling with them. As, when Rav Aḥa bar Adda came from Eretz Yisrael to Babylonia he said that Rabbi Yitzḥak says: They decreed a prohibition upon their bread due to their oil. The Gemara asks: In what way is the prohibition with regard to oil stronger than the prohibition with regard to bread? That is, why does the primary concern relate to the oil of gentiles rather than their bread?
וּגְנִיבָא מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרַב אָמַר: כּוּלָּן מִשּׁוּם עֲבוֹדָה זָרָה גָּזְרוּ בָּהֶן, דְּכִי אֲתָא רַב אַחָא בַּר אַדָּא אָמַר רַבִּי יִצְחָק: גָּזְרוּ עַל פִּיתָּן מִשּׁוּם שַׁמְנָן, מַאי אוּלְמֵיהּ דְּשֶׁמֶן מִפַּת?
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara offers a different interpretation: Rather, they issued a decree prohibiting their bread and their oil due to their wine. And they issued the decree prohibiting their wine due to the fact that this leads to familiarity, and Jews will come to marry their daughters. And they issued a decree prohibiting their daughters due to something else, idolatry. And they further issued a decree on something else due to something else, which will be explained by the Gemara.
אֶלָּא, עַל פִּיתָּן וְשַׁמְנָן מִשּׁוּם יֵינָן, וְעַל יֵינָן מִשּׁוּם בְּנוֹתֵיהֶן, וְעַל בְּנוֹתֵיהֶן מִשּׁוּם דָּבָר אַחֵר, וְעַל דָּבָר אַחֵר מִשּׁוּם דָּבָר אַחֵר.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : It was stated that the prohibition against marrying the daughters of gentiles was decreed on account of idolatry. The Gemara raises an objection: But the prohibition against marrying their daughters is prescribed by Torah law, as it is written: “Neither shall you make marriages with them” (Deuteronomy 7:3). The Gemara explains: By Torah law intermarriage is prohibited only with the seven Canaanite nations, but intermarriage with the other nations of the world is not prohibited, and the students of Shammai and Hillel came and decreed that intermarriage is prohibited even with the other nations.
בְּנוֹתֵיהֶן, דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא הִיא, דִּכְתִיב: ״לֹא תִתְחַתֵּן בָּם״, דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא שִׁבְעָה גּוֹיִם, אֲבָל שְׁאָר אוּמּוֹת — לָא, וַאֲתוֹ אִינְהוּ וּגְזוּר אֲפִילּוּ דִּשְׁאָר אוּמּוֹת.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara asks: And according to the opinion of Rabbi Shimon ben Yoḥai, who says that the subsequent verse: “For he will turn away your son from following Me” (Deuteronomy 7:4) serves to include all who turn away one’s son from God, i.e., all gentiles, what is there to say? Rather, by Torah law only sexual relations by way of marriage are prohibited, and they came and decreed that sexual relations are prohibited even by way of licentiousness.
וּלְרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יוֹחַי, דְּאָמַר: ״כִּי יָסִיר אֶת בִּנְךָ מֵאַחֲרַי״ לְרַבּוֹת כׇּל הַמְּסִירוֹת, מַאי אִיכָּא לְמֵימַר? אֶלָּא דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא אִישׁוּת דֶּרֶךְ חַתְנוּת, וַאֲתוֹ אִינְהוּ גְּזוּר אֲפִילּוּ דֶּרֶךְ זְנוּת.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara raises an objection: Licentious sexual intercourse was also prohibited earlier, as they decreed a prohibition in this regard in the court of Shem, as it is written: “It was told to Judah, saying: Tamar your daughter-in-law has played the harlot; and moreover, behold, she is with child by harlotry. And Judah said: Bring her forth, and let her be burned” (Genesis 38:24). This proves that the prohibition against licentious intercourse with a gentile was in force long before the time of the students of Shammai and Hillel.
זְנוּת נָמֵי בְּבֵית דִּינוֹ שֶׁל שֵׁם גָּזְרוּ, דִּכְתִיב: ״וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוּדָה הוֹצִיאוּהָ וְתִשָּׂרֵף״!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara explains: Rather, the prohibition prescribed by Torah law applies to the case of a gentile who engaged in intercourse with a Jewish woman, as she is drawn after him toward idolatry, but the case of a Jew who engaged in intercourse with a gentile woman is not included in the prohibition by Torah law. And the students of Shammai and Hillel came and decreed that the prohibition applies even to a Jew who engaged in intercourse with a gentile woman.
אֶלָּא, דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא — גּוֹי הַבָּא עַל בַּת יִשְׂרָאֵל, דְּמָשְׁכָה בָּתְרֵיהּ; אֲבָל יִשְׂרָאֵל הַבָּא עַל הַגּוֹיָה — לָא, וַאֲתוֹ אִינְהוּ גְּזוּר אֲפִילּוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל הַבָּא עַל הַגּוֹיָה.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : The Gemara rejects this: The prohibition concerning a Jew who engaged in intercourse with a gentile woman is a halakha transmitted to Moses from Sinai, not a rabbinic ordinance. As the Master said: With regard to one who engages in intercourse with an Aramean woman, zealots may attack him, as Pinehas did to Zimri in the wilderness (see Numbers 25:6–8).
יִשְׂרָאֵל הַבָּא עַל הַגּוֹיָה — הֲלָכָה לְמֹשֶׁה מִסִּינַי הִיא, דְּאָמַר מָר: הַבּוֹעֵל אֲרַמִּית — קַנָּאִין פּוֹגְעִין בּוֹ.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : He said to him: By Torah law intercourse with a gentile is prohibited in public, and only in situations like the incident that occurred, as described in Numbers, chapter 25. And the students of Shammai and Hillel came and decreed that the prohibition applies even in private. The Gemara raises another difficulty: This was also prohibited in private, as the court of the Hasmoneans decreed that it is prohibited.
אֲמַר לֵיהּ: דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא בְּפַרְהֶסְיָא, וּכְמַעֲשֶׂה שֶׁהָיָה, וַאֲתוֹ אִינְהוּ גְּזוּר אֲפִילּוּ בְּצִינְעָא. בְּצִינְעָא נָמֵי בֵּית דִּינוֹ שֶׁל חַשְׁמוֹנַאי גָּזְרוּ!
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : As when Rav Dimi came from Eretz Yisrael to Babylonia, he said: The court of the Hasmoneans decreed that a Jew who engaged in intercourse with a gentile woman bears liability for transgressing four prohibitions, represented by the mnemonic: Nun, shin, gimmel, alef. These letters stands for: Menstruating woman [nidda], maidservant [shifḥa], gentile [goya], and married woman [eshet ish]. By rabbinic law, a man who engages in intercourse with a gentile woman is considered to have violated the prohibitions involved in having intercourse with all four of these women.
דְּכִי אֲתָא רַב דִּימִי אָמַר: בֵּית דִּין שֶׁל חַשְׁמוֹנַאי גָּזְרוּ, יִשְׂרָאֵל הַבָּא עַל הַגּוֹיָה חַיָּיב מִשּׁוּם נשג״א.
Traduction française en préparation — version anglaise (Steinsaltz) : And when Ravin came from Eretz Yisrael to Babylonia, he said: He bears liability for four prohibitions represented by the mnemonic: Nun, shin, gimmel, zayin, which stands for: Menstruating woman [nidda], maidservant [shifḥa], gentile [goya], and prostitute [zona]. In any case, it is apparent that this decree was in force before the time of the students of Shammai and Hillel.
כִּי אֲתָא רָבִין אָמַר מִשּׁוּם נשג״ז.
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